From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Ralph Corderoy Message-ID: Subject: [9fans] Usenet Gateway and Mailing List Archive Woes. Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:43:20 +0000 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 524a39c0-eaca-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Hi, Jon Snader made me aware that Rob had posted -mpm-related material. I read comp.os.plan9 and didn't see the post. Google Groups has it without the attachments. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0ce9a17866461d0a3e0a61628c4149a9%40plan9.bell-labs.com&output=gplain Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 From: rob@plan9.bell-labs.com (rob pike) Subject: Re: [9fans] [troff] Is there a macro package called -mpm ? Approved: plan9mod@bath.ac.uk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-wnnfbneirzpjzzrtpxqsivpjsg" Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: ccsis@bath.ac.uk (Icarus Sparry) Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Message-ID: <0ce9a17866461d0a3e0a61628c4149a9@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:58:52 GMT Lines: 3850 Enjoy. -- My guess is the mailing list to Usenet gateway stripped off the attachments but didn't adjust the optional Lines header. My ISP's news server correctly dropped this post when it received it because it appears corrupt. Since no better version ever arrives from another peer I never see the post on comp.os.plan9. Can whoever runs the gateway confirm this supposition is correct and do something about it, e.g. delete any Lines headers since they're optional. [Moderator's notes: (1) The mailing list to Usenet gateway doesn't strip off attachments. It's only concerned with adjusting headers to suit. (2) The mailing list to Usenet gateway runs through the News system here. That is neutral as far as the Lines: header is concerned. It doesn't generate one for articles that pass through it. If one is present in the incoming article, it is left untouched. (3) The mailing list to Usenet gateway is also neutral as far as the Lines: header is concerned. If one is present in the incoming message it is passed through. If one isn't present, the s/w doesn't add one. In practice none of the above should cause problems. I don't know of of any email client or MTA that adds the Lines header to mail messages. Certainly Outlook Express can differentiate between posting a News article and a mail message. It adds a Lines: header to the former but not the latter. So News articles that are injected from the mailing list generally leave here *without* a Lines: header. Certainly that is the case for the article in question. I believe this header was added further downstream of here. There's not much I can do about that. As noted in private email I have trouble reading this article with the trn Newsreader + metamail-2.7. I get the error message: metamail: Incomplete multipart message -- unexpected EOF I suspect that this is more likely to be the source of confusion. However the contents should be easily extracted manually.] Knowing it existed on the mailing list I went to the archives. Unfortunately, http://lists.cse.psu.edu/archives/9fans re-directs you to a HTTPS connection as has previously been mentioned. And https://lists.cse.psu.edu/archives/9fans doesn't work with this Netscape which complains `Netscape and this server cannot communicate securely because they have no common encryption algorithm(s)'. It's pointless having an archive for a public list hidden behind HTTPS, and in addition demanding recent encryption algorithms. Anyone got a public archive of the list? [Moderator's note: I suspect that the web server at lists.cse.psu.edu has been configured to not accept export-grade cryptography. And this may be the source of the problem. Versions of Netscape since 4.73 have been available with full-strength cryptography from the download page at: http://www.netscape.com/download/ Earlier versions of Netscape can be brough up to full-strength cryptography by "fortifying" them. See: http://www.fortify.net/ for details.] Cheers, Ralph.