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Subject: [9fans] building Alef language
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I try to build Alef language
latest 9front iso

%9fs 9pio
# I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing...
%tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz
%dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys
% cd /sys/src/alef
% mk all
mk $objtype.all
@{cd v; mk all }
@{cd k; mk all }
@{cd 8; mk all }
@{cd lib; mk all }
yacc -d ../port/parl.y

conflicts: 2 shift/reduce
mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h
8c -w -I../port cinit.c
8c -w -I../port code.c
machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cinit.c:6 syntax error, last name: Fconv
mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c  : exit status=rc 40921: 8c 40925: error
machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 code.c:6 syntax error, last name: Fconv
mk: @{cd v; mk ...  : exit status=rc 40909: rc 40911: mk 40912: error
mk: mk $objtype.all  : exit status=rc 40906: mk 40908: error
%

I think that problem in "Fconv" definition...

-- 
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Phil Kulin



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somebody please summon The BurnZeZ.


-rodri

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:

> I try to build Alef language
> latest 9front iso
>
> %9fs 9pio
> # I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing...
> %tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz
> %dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys
> % cd /sys/src/alef
> % mk all
> mk $objtype.all
> @{cd v; mk all }
> @{cd k; mk all }
> @{cd 8; mk all }
> @{cd lib; mk all }
> yacc -d ../port/parl.y
>
> conflicts: 2 shift/reduce
> mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h
> 8c -w -I../port cinit.c
> 8c -w -I../port code.c
> machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cinit.c:6 syntax error, last name: Fconv
> mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c  : exit status=rc 40921: 8c 40925: error
> machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 code.c:6 syntax error, last name: Fconv
> mk: @{cd v; mk ...  : exit status=rc 40909: rc 40911: mk 40912: error
> mk: mk $objtype.all  : exit status=rc 40906: mk 40908: error
> %
>
> I think that problem in "Fconv" definition...
>
> --
> Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> Phil Kulin
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">somebody please summon The BurnZeZ.<div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">-rodri</div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep=
 20, 2019, 10:46 PM Phil Kulin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schors@gmail.com">scho=
rs@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I try t=
o build Alef language<br>
latest 9front iso<br>
<br>
%9fs 9pio<br>
# I don&#39;t know why, but &quot;tar x alef.tgz&quot; command do nothing..=
.<br>
%tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz<br>
%dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys<br>
% cd /sys/src/alef<br>
% mk all<br>
mk $objtype.all<br>
@{cd v; mk all }<br>
@{cd k; mk all }<br>
@{cd 8; mk all }<br>
@{cd lib; mk all }<br>
yacc -d ../port/parl.y<br>
<br>
conflicts: 2 shift/reduce<br>
mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h<br>
8c -w -I../port cinit.c<br>
8c -w -I../port code.c<br>
machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cinit.c:6 syntax error, last name: Fconv<b=
r>
mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c=C2=A0 : exit status=3Drc 40921: 8c 40925: error=
<br>
machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 code.c:6 syntax error, last name: Fconv<br=
>
mk: @{cd v; mk ...=C2=A0 : exit status=3Drc 40909: rc 40911: mk 40912: erro=
r<br>
mk: mk $objtype.all=C2=A0 : exit status=3Drc 40906: mk 40908: error<br>
%<br>
<br>
I think that problem in &quot;Fconv&quot; definition...<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam<br>
Phil Kulin<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Subject: Re: [9fans] building Alef language
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As rodri states BurnZeZ has a copy of Alef he got building and kind of=20
running under 9front/386. I kind of got the same thing at one point, but=20
his is way better :)

I know a snapshot of it is on mycroftiv's public grid around=20
/n/griddisk/burnzez

I don't know if he has a public version-controlled copy.

Cheers,
Sean

On 9/20/19 2:05 PM, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez wrote:
> somebody please summon The BurnZeZ.
>=20
>=20
> -rodri
>=20
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com=20
> <mailto:schors@gmail.com>> wrote:
>=20
>     I try to build Alef language
>     latest 9front iso
>=20
>     %9fs 9pio
>     # I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing...
>     %tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz
>     %dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys
>     % cd /sys/src/alef
>     % mk all
>     mk $objtype.all
>     @{cd v; mk all }
>     @{cd k; mk all }
>     @{cd 8; mk all }
>     @{cd lib; mk all }
>     yacc -d ../port/parl.y
>=20
>     conflicts: 2 shift/reduce
>     mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h
>     8c -w -I../port cinit.c
>     8c -w -I../port code.c
>     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cinit.c:6 syntax error, last name:
>     Fconv
>     mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c=C2=A0 : exit status=3Drc 40921: 8c 4092=
5: error
>     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 code.c:6 syntax error, last name: =
Fconv
>     mk: @{cd v; mk ...=C2=A0 : exit status=3Drc 40909: rc 40911: mk 409=
12: error
>     mk: mk $objtype.all=C2=A0 : exit status=3Drc 40906: mk 40908: error
>     %
>=20
>     I think that problem in "Fconv" definition...
>=20
>     --=20
>     Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
>     Phil Kulin
>=20



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From: Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 05:14:57 +0200
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I have a version for legacy Plan 9, lightly tested, that I have not
looked at in ages.

Happy to haul it out, but I see little value in it. Go may have
idiosyncrasies, but it is much more suited to modern architectures.
That said, had Go not surfaced, I would have much preferred Alef to
many other options.

Don't forget the rationale for dropping Alef: support for the
language, across many architectures and including many libraries would
have been crippling.

Both of those are now Go's strong suits.

Lucio.

PS: A tar archive may be on sources under "proxima" - it's been a long time.



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good point, but is the attention that go gets now also crippling plan9? :)

On 9/21/19, Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a version for legacy Plan 9, lightly tested, that I have not
> looked at in ages.
>
> Happy to haul it out, but I see little value in it. Go may have
> idiosyncrasies, but it is much more suited to modern architectures.
> That said, had Go not surfaced, I would have much preferred Alef to
> many other options.
>
> Don't forget the rationale for dropping Alef: support for the
> language, across many architectures and including many libraries would
> have been crippling.
>
> Both of those are now Go's strong suits.
>
> Lucio.
>
> PS: A tar archive may be on sources under "proxima" - it's been a long
> time.
>
>



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Thank you. I used this snapshot and I built alef. But I couldn't build
tests. And can't build any alef program.

I think, than linker can't find /$object/lib/alef path (386 in my case)

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:41 AM Sean Hinchee <henesy.dev@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As rodri states BurnZeZ has a copy of Alef he got building and kind of
> running under 9front/386. I kind of got the same thing at one point, but
> his is way better :)
>
> I know a snapshot of it is on mycroftiv's public grid around
> /n/griddisk/burnzez
>
> I don't know if he has a public version-controlled copy.
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>
> On 9/20/19 2:05 PM, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez wrote:
> > somebody please summon The BurnZeZ.
> >
> >
> > -rodri
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com
> > <mailto:schors@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I try to build Alef language
> >     latest 9front iso
> >
> >     %9fs 9pio
> >     # I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing...
> >     %tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz
> >     %dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys
> >     % cd /sys/src/alef
> >     % mk all
> >     mk $objtype.all
> >     @{cd v; mk all }
> >     @{cd k; mk all }
> >     @{cd 8; mk all }
> >     @{cd lib; mk all }
> >     yacc -d ../port/parl.y
> >
> >     conflicts: 2 shift/reduce
> >     mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h
> >     8c -w -I../port cinit.c
> >     8c -w -I../port code.c
> >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cinit.c:6 syntax error, last name:
> >     Fconv
> >     mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c  : exit status=3Drc 40921: 8c 40925: er=
ror
> >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 code.c:6 syntax error, last name: =
Fconv
> >     mk: @{cd v; mk ...  : exit status=3Drc 40909: rc 40911: mk 40912: e=
rror
> >     mk: mk $objtype.all  : exit status=3Drc 40906: mk 40908: error
> >     %
> >
> >     I think that problem in "Fconv" definition...
> >
> >     --
> >     Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> >     Phil Kulin
> >
>


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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 20:58:51 +0300
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Problem probably in sys/src/alef/lib/rt/ near librt.8.a
Build process passes with warning about file existing

Manual command:
ar vu /386/lib/alef/libA.a sys/src/alef/lib/386/*.8
reduces number of error messages when test builds

There are only:
ALEFassert: undefined: write
ALEFassert: undefined: read


On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:05 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you. I used this snapshot and I built alef. But I couldn't build
> tests. And can't build any alef program.
>
> I think, than linker can't find /$object/lib/alef path (386 in my case)
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:41 AM Sean Hinchee <henesy.dev@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> >
> > As rodri states BurnZeZ has a copy of Alef he got building and kind of
> > running under 9front/386. I kind of got the same thing at one point, bu=
t
> > his is way better :)
> >
> > I know a snapshot of it is on mycroftiv's public grid around
> > /n/griddisk/burnzez
> >
> > I don't know if he has a public version-controlled copy.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sean
> >
> > On 9/20/19 2:05 PM, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez wrote:
> > > somebody please summon The BurnZeZ.
> > >
> > >
> > > -rodri
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com
> > > <mailto:schors@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     I try to build Alef language
> > >     latest 9front iso
> > >
> > >     %9fs 9pio
> > >     # I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing...
> > >     %tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz
> > >     %dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys
> > >     % cd /sys/src/alef
> > >     % mk all
> > >     mk $objtype.all
> > >     @{cd v; mk all }
> > >     @{cd k; mk all }
> > >     @{cd 8; mk all }
> > >     @{cd lib; mk all }
> > >     yacc -d ../port/parl.y
> > >
> > >     conflicts: 2 shift/reduce
> > >     mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h
> > >     8c -w -I../port cinit.c
> > >     8c -w -I../port code.c
> > >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cinit.c:6 syntax error, last nam=
e:
> > >     Fconv
> > >     mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c  : exit status=3Drc 40921: 8c 40925: =
error
> > >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 code.c:6 syntax error, last name=
: Fconv
> > >     mk: @{cd v; mk ...  : exit status=3Drc 40909: rc 40911: mk 40912:=
 error
> > >     mk: mk $objtype.all  : exit status=3Drc 40906: mk 40908: error
> > >     %
> > >
> > >     I think that problem in "Fconv" definition...
> > >
> > >     --
> > >     Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> > >     Phil Kulin
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> Phil Kulin



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Ok. 9front doesn't have write and read syscalls. I patched
sys/src/alef/lib/sys/mkfile I translated _write to write and _read to
read. Yes, dirty hack. But I don't understand pwrite and pread
syscalls internals.

ItT'S WORK!!!

I'm worried I can't fix sys/src/alef/lib/rt/mkfile
I patch libA.a manually every time

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:58 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Problem probably in sys/src/alef/lib/rt/ near librt.8.a
> Build process passes with warning about file existing
>
> Manual command:
> ar vu /386/lib/alef/libA.a sys/src/alef/lib/386/*.8
> reduces number of error messages when test builds
>
> There are only:
> ALEFassert: undefined: write
> ALEFassert: undefined: read
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:05 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you. I used this snapshot and I built alef. But I couldn't build
> > tests. And can't build any alef program.
> >
> > I think, than linker can't find /$object/lib/alef path (386 in my case)
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:41 AM Sean Hinchee <henesy.dev@gmail.com> wro=
te:
> > >
> > > As rodri states BurnZeZ has a copy of Alef he got building and kind o=
f
> > > running under 9front/386. I kind of got the same thing at one point, =
but
> > > his is way better :)
> > >
> > > I know a snapshot of it is on mycroftiv's public grid around
> > > /n/griddisk/burnzez
> > >
> > > I don't know if he has a public version-controlled copy.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Sean
> > >
> > > On 9/20/19 2:05 PM, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez wrote:
> > > > somebody please summon The BurnZeZ.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -rodri
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:schors@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     I try to build Alef language
> > > >     latest 9front iso
> > > >
> > > >     %9fs 9pio
> > > >     # I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing...
> > > >     %tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz
> > > >     %dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys
> > > >     % cd /sys/src/alef
> > > >     % mk all
> > > >     mk $objtype.all
> > > >     @{cd v; mk all }
> > > >     @{cd k; mk all }
> > > >     @{cd 8; mk all }
> > > >     @{cd lib; mk all }
> > > >     yacc -d ../port/parl.y
> > > >
> > > >     conflicts: 2 shift/reduce
> > > >     mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h
> > > >     8c -w -I../port cinit.c
> > > >     8c -w -I../port code.c
> > > >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cinit.c:6 syntax error, last n=
ame:
> > > >     Fconv
> > > >     mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c  : exit status=3Drc 40921: 8c 40925=
: error
> > > >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 code.c:6 syntax error, last na=
me: Fconv
> > > >     mk: @{cd v; mk ...  : exit status=3Drc 40909: rc 40911: mk 4091=
2: error
> > > >     mk: mk $objtype.all  : exit status=3Drc 40906: mk 40908: error
> > > >     %
> > > >
> > > >     I think that problem in "Fconv" definition...
> > > >
> > > >     --
> > > >     Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> > > >     Phil Kulin
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> > Phil Kulin
>
>
>
> --
> Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> Phil Kulin



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wth. they are the same plus an offset, which you can set to -1LL to
replicate the behavior of read(2) (/sys/src/libc/9sys/read.c)


-rodri

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 10:45 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok. 9front doesn't have write and read syscalls. I patched
> sys/src/alef/lib/sys/mkfile I translated _write to write and _read to
> read. Yes, dirty hack. But I don't understand pwrite and pread
> syscalls internals.
>
> ItT'S WORK!!!
>
> I'm worried I can't fix sys/src/alef/lib/rt/mkfile
> I patch libA.a manually every time
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:58 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Problem probably in sys/src/alef/lib/rt/ near librt.8.a
> > Build process passes with warning about file existing
> >
> > Manual command:
> > ar vu /386/lib/alef/libA.a sys/src/alef/lib/386/*.8
> > reduces number of error messages when test builds
> >
> > There are only:
> > ALEFassert: undefined: write
> > ALEFassert: undefined: read
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:05 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you. I used this snapshot and I built alef. But I couldn't buil=
d
> > > tests. And can't build any alef program.
> > >
> > > I think, than linker can't find /$object/lib/alef path (386 in my cas=
e)
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:41 AM Sean Hinchee <henesy.dev@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As rodri states BurnZeZ has a copy of Alef he got building and kind
> of
> > > > running under 9front/386. I kind of got the same thing at one point=
,
> but
> > > > his is way better :)
> > > >
> > > > I know a snapshot of it is on mycroftiv's public grid around
> > > > /n/griddisk/burnzez
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if he has a public version-controlled copy.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > > > On 9/20/19 2:05 PM, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez wrote:
> > > > > somebody please summon The BurnZeZ.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -rodri
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com
> > > > > <mailto:schors@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >     I try to build Alef language
> > > > >     latest 9front iso
> > > > >
> > > > >     %9fs 9pio
> > > > >     # I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing..=
.
> > > > >     %tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz
> > > > >     %dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys
> > > > >     % cd /sys/src/alef
> > > > >     % mk all
> > > > >     mk $objtype.all
> > > > >     @{cd v; mk all }
> > > > >     @{cd k; mk all }
> > > > >     @{cd 8; mk all }
> > > > >     @{cd lib; mk all }
> > > > >     yacc -d ../port/parl.y
> > > > >
> > > > >     conflicts: 2 shift/reduce
> > > > >     mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h
> > > > >     8c -w -I../port cinit.c
> > > > >     8c -w -I../port code.c
> > > > >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cinit.c:6 syntax error, last
> name:
> > > > >     Fconv
> > > > >     mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c  : exit status=3Drc 40921: 8c 409=
25:
> error
> > > > >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 code.c:6 syntax error, last
> name: Fconv
> > > > >     mk: @{cd v; mk ...  : exit status=3Drc 40909: rc 40911: mk
> 40912: error
> > > > >     mk: mk $objtype.all  : exit status=3Drc 40906: mk 40908: erro=
r
> > > > >     %
> > > > >
> > > > >     I think that problem in "Fconv" definition...
> > > > >
> > > > >     --
> > > > >     Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> > > > >     Phil Kulin
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> > > Phil Kulin
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> > Phil Kulin
>
>
>
> --
> Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> Phil Kulin
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>wth. they are the same plus an offset, which you can=
 set to -1LL to replicate the behavior of read(2) (/sys/src/libc/9sys/read.=
c)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">-rodri</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"=
auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 10:45 PM =
Phil Kulin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schors@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">schors@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">Ok. 9front doesn&#39;t have write and read syscalls. I patched<br=
>
sys/src/alef/lib/sys/mkfile I translated _write to write and _read to<br>
read. Yes, dirty hack. But I don&#39;t understand pwrite and pread<br>
syscalls internals.<br>
<br>
ItT&#39;S WORK!!!<br>
<br>
I&#39;m worried I can&#39;t fix sys/src/alef/lib/rt/mkfile<br>
I patch libA.a manually every time<br>
<br>
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:58 PM Phil Kulin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schors@gma=
il.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">schors@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Problem probably in sys/src/alef/lib/rt/ near librt.8.a<br>
&gt; Build process passes with warning about file existing<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Manual command:<br>
&gt; ar vu /386/lib/alef/libA.a sys/src/alef/lib/386/*.8<br>
&gt; reduces number of error messages when test builds<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There are only:<br>
&gt; ALEFassert: undefined: write<br>
&gt; ALEFassert: undefined: read<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:05 PM Phil Kulin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schor=
s@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">schors@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Thank you. I used this snapshot and I built alef. But I couldn&#3=
9;t build<br>
&gt; &gt; tests. And can&#39;t build any alef program.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I think, than linker can&#39;t find /$object/lib/alef path (386 i=
n my case)<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:41 AM Sean Hinchee &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:henesy.dev@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">hen=
esy.dev@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; As rodri states BurnZeZ has a copy of Alef he got building a=
nd kind of<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; running under 9front/386. I kind of got the same thing at on=
e point, but<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; his is way better :)<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I know a snapshot of it is on mycroftiv&#39;s public grid ar=
ound<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; /n/griddisk/burnzez<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I don&#39;t know if he has a public version-controlled copy.=
<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sean<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On 9/20/19 2:05 PM, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somebody please summon The BurnZeZ.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -rodri<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 PM Phil Kulin &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:schors@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
">schors@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:schors@gmail.com" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">schors@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:=
<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I try to build Alef language<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0latest 9front iso<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0%9fs 9pio<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0# I don&#39;t know why, but &quot;ta=
r x alef.tgz&quot; command do nothing...<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0%tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0%dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% cd /sys/src/alef<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% mk all<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mk $objtype.all<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0@{cd v; mk all }<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0@{cd k; mk all }<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0@{cd 8; mk all }<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0@{cd lib; mk all }<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0yacc -d ../port/parl.y<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0conflicts: 2 shift/reduce<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A08c -w -I../port cinit.c<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A08c -w -I../port code.c<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cin=
it.c:6 syntax error, last name:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Fconv<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c=C2=A0 : =
exit status=3Drc 40921: 8c 40925: error<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cod=
e.c:6 syntax error, last name: Fconv<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mk: @{cd v; mk ...=C2=A0 : exit stat=
us=3Drc 40909: rc 40911: mk 40912: error<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mk: mk $objtype.all=C2=A0 : exit sta=
tus=3Drc 40906: mk 40908: error<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0%<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think that problem in &quot;Fconv&=
quot; definition...<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomin=
i Tuo da gloriam<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Phil Kulin<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; --<br>
&gt; &gt; Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam<br>
&gt; &gt; Phil Kulin<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam<br>
&gt; Phil Kulin<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Yes. But this requires writing wrapper code as in /sys/src/libc/9sys/write.=
c
I have no reason to do this. But writing wrapper may be better

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 2:02 AM Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez <rodrigosloop@gmail.c=
om> wrote:
>
> wth. they are the same plus an offset, which you can set to -1LL to repli=
cate the behavior of read(2) (/sys/src/libc/9sys/read.c)
>
>
> -rodri
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 10:45 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok. 9front doesn't have write and read syscalls. I patched
>> sys/src/alef/lib/sys/mkfile I translated _write to write and _read to
>> read. Yes, dirty hack. But I don't understand pwrite and pread
>> syscalls internals.
>>
>> ItT'S WORK!!!
>>
>> I'm worried I can't fix sys/src/alef/lib/rt/mkfile
>> I patch libA.a manually every time
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:58 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Problem probably in sys/src/alef/lib/rt/ near librt.8.a
>> > Build process passes with warning about file existing
>> >
>> > Manual command:
>> > ar vu /386/lib/alef/libA.a sys/src/alef/lib/386/*.8
>> > reduces number of error messages when test builds
>> >
>> > There are only:
>> > ALEFassert: undefined: write
>> > ALEFassert: undefined: read
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:05 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Thank you. I used this snapshot and I built alef. But I couldn't bui=
ld
>> > > tests. And can't build any alef program.
>> > >
>> > > I think, than linker can't find /$object/lib/alef path (386 in my ca=
se)
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:41 AM Sean Hinchee <henesy.dev@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > As rodri states BurnZeZ has a copy of Alef he got building and kin=
d of
>> > > > running under 9front/386. I kind of got the same thing at one poin=
t, but
>> > > > his is way better :)
>> > > >
>> > > > I know a snapshot of it is on mycroftiv's public grid around
>> > > > /n/griddisk/burnzez
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't know if he has a public version-controlled copy.
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > > > Sean
>> > > >
>> > > > On 9/20/19 2:05 PM, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez wrote:
>> > > > > somebody please summon The BurnZeZ.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -rodri
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 PM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com
>> > > > > <mailto:schors@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     I try to build Alef language
>> > > > >     latest 9front iso
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     %9fs 9pio
>> > > > >     # I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing.=
..
>> > > > >     %tarfs /n/sources/extra/alef.tgz
>> > > > >     %dircp /n/tapefs/sys /sys
>> > > > >     % cd /sys/src/alef
>> > > > >     % mk all
>> > > > >     mk $objtype.all
>> > > > >     @{cd v; mk all }
>> > > > >     @{cd k; mk all }
>> > > > >     @{cd 8; mk all }
>> > > > >     @{cd lib; mk all }
>> > > > >     yacc -d ../port/parl.y
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     conflicts: 2 shift/reduce
>> > > > >     mv y.tab.h ../port/y.tab.h
>> > > > >     8c -w -I../port cinit.c
>> > > > >     8c -w -I../port code.c
>> > > > >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 cinit.c:6 syntax error, las=
t name:
>> > > > >     Fconv
>> > > > >     mk: 8c -w -I../port cinit.c  : exit status=3Drc 40921: 8c 40=
925: error
>> > > > >     machdep.h:329 ../port/parl.h:332 code.c:6 syntax error, last=
 name: Fconv
>> > > > >     mk: @{cd v; mk ...  : exit status=3Drc 40909: rc 40911: mk 4=
0912: error
>> > > > >     mk: mk $objtype.all  : exit status=3Drc 40906: mk 40908: err=
or
>> > > > >     %
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     I think that problem in "Fconv" definition...
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     --
>> > > > >     Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
>> > > > >     Phil Kulin
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
>> > > Phil Kulin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
>> > Phil Kulin
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
>> Phil Kulin



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You right. I am preparing slides for my report on upcoming
GolangConf-2019 in Moscow. I need Alef, libthread and Limbo for
explaining some golang features.

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 6:16 AM Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a version for legacy Plan 9, lightly tested, that I have not
> looked at in ages.
>
> Happy to haul it out, but I see little value in it. Go may have
> idiosyncrasies, but it is much more suited to modern architectures.
> That said, had Go not surfaced, I would have much preferred Alef to
> many other options.
>
> Don't forget the rationale for dropping Alef: support for the
> language, across many architectures and including many libraries would
> have been crippling.
>
> Both of those are now Go's strong suits.
>
> Lucio.
>
> PS: A tar archive may be on sources under "proxima" - it's been a long time.
>


-- 
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Phil Kulin



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On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, at 9:45 PM, Phil Kulin wrote:
> 
> # I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing...

You requested to extract a file named alef.tgz from a tar stream on standard input. ;) You need the f option to specify a tar file.



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Oooops :)) Thank you :)

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 12:29 PM Ethan Gardener <eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, at 9:45 PM, Phil Kulin wrote:
> >
> > # I don't know why, but "tar x alef.tgz" command do nothing...
>
> You requested to extract a file named alef.tgz from a tar stream on standard input. ;) You need the f option to specify a tar file.
>


-- 
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Phil Kulin



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so you need them running in order to execute them publicly, in front of the
go masses.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 9:48 AM Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com> wrote:

> You right. I am preparing slides for my report on upcoming
> GolangConf-2019 in Moscow. I need Alef, libthread and Limbo for
> explaining some golang features.
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 6:16 AM Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a version for legacy Plan 9, lightly tested, that I have not
> > looked at in ages.
> >
> > Happy to haul it out, but I see little value in it. Go may have
> > idiosyncrasies, but it is much more suited to modern architectures.
> > That said, had Go not surfaced, I would have much preferred Alef to
> > many other options.
> >
> > Don't forget the rationale for dropping Alef: support for the
> > language, across many architectures and including many libraries would
> > have been crippling.
> >
> > Both of those are now Go's strong suits.
> >
> > Lucio.
> >
> > PS: A tar archive may be on sources under "proxima" - it's been a long
> time.
> >
>
>
> --
> Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> Phil Kulin
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>so you need them running in order to execute them pu=
blicly, in front of the go masses.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 9:48 AM Phil Kulin &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:schors@gmail.com">schors@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You right. I am preparing slides for my =
report on upcoming<br>
GolangConf-2019 in Moscow. I need Alef, libthread and Limbo for<br>
explaining some golang features.<br>
<br>
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 6:16 AM Lucio De Re &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lucio.der=
e@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">lucio.dere@gmail.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have a version for legacy Plan 9, lightly tested, that I have not<br=
>
&gt; looked at in ages.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Happy to haul it out, but I see little value in it. Go may have<br>
&gt; idiosyncrasies, but it is much more suited to modern architectures.<br=
>
&gt; That said, had Go not surfaced, I would have much preferred Alef to<br=
>
&gt; many other options.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Don&#39;t forget the rationale for dropping Alef: support for the<br>
&gt; language, across many architectures and including many libraries would=
<br>
&gt; have been crippling.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Both of those are now Go&#39;s strong suits.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Lucio.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; PS: A tar archive may be on sources under &quot;proxima&quot; - it&#39=
;s been a long time.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam<br>
Phil Kulin<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div></div>

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On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez wrote:
> so you need them running in order to execute them publicly, in front o=
f the go masses.

I don't think it's quite that bad. (But maybe it is! XD )



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You could also just run 2e in a VM and show it off there :)

2e can be coaxed into running under virtualbox, even.

Cheers,
Sean

On 9/22/19 12:46 AM, Phil Kulin wrote:
> You right. I am preparing slides for my report on upcoming
> GolangConf-2019 in Moscow. I need Alef, libthread and Limbo for
> explaining some golang features.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 6:16 AM Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a version for legacy Plan 9, lightly tested, that I have not
>> looked at in ages.
>>
>> Happy to haul it out, but I see little value in it. Go may have
>> idiosyncrasies, but it is much more suited to modern architectures.
>> That said, had Go not surfaced, I would have much preferred Alef to
>> many other options.
>>
>> Don't forget the rationale for dropping Alef: support for the
>> language, across many architectures and including many libraries would
>> have been crippling.
>>
>> Both of those are now Go's strong suits.
>>
>> Lucio.
>>
>> PS: A tar archive may be on sources under "proxima" - it's been a long time.
>>
> 
> 



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You need a license to run the 1st and 2nd ed.

The 2nd ed books/cds (and thus the license) have not been printed for a long=
 time.

the images may have leaked but i think we should still try to respect the te=
rms of the license.

-Steve


> On 23 Sep 2019, at 2:01 am, Sean Hinchee <henesy.dev@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> You could also just run 2e in a VM and show it off there :)
>=20
> 2e can be coaxed into running under virtualbox, even.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Sean
>=20
>> On 9/22/19 12:46 AM, Phil Kulin wrote:
>> You right. I am preparing slides for my report on upcoming
>> GolangConf-2019 in Moscow. I need Alef, libthread and Limbo for
>> explaining some golang features.
>>> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 6:16 AM Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>>=20
>>> I have a version for legacy Plan 9, lightly tested, that I have not
>>> looked at in ages.
>>>=20
>>> Happy to haul it out, but I see little value in it. Go may have
>>> idiosyncrasies, but it is much more suited to modern architectures.
>>> That said, had Go not surfaced, I would have much preferred Alef to
>>> many other options.
>>>=20
>>> Don't forget the rationale for dropping Alef: support for the
>>> language, across many architectures and including many libraries would
>>> have been crippling.
>>>=20
>>> Both of those are now Go's strong suits.
>>>=20
>>> Lucio.
>>>=20
>>> PS: A tar archive may be on sources under "proxima" - it's been a long t=
ime.
>>>=20




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who is selling those licenses?



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i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.
i'm not aware of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia) even care?

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:

> who is selling those licenses?
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at som=
e point.<div dir=3D"auto">i&#39;m not aware of any license requirement, but=
 do they (Nokia) even care?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:23hiro@gmail.com">23hiro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">who is selling those licenses?<br>
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 09:40:40 +0300
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2nd Ed are still around
http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README
If it was putted on contrib sources - no one have concerns, i think.

=D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:57, Rodri=
go G. L=C3=B3pez <rodrigosloop@gmail.com>:

> i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.
> i'm not aware of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia) even care?
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> who is selling those licenses?
>>
>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">2nd Ed are still around=C2=A0

<a href=3D"http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/R=
EADME">http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/READM=
E</a>=C2=A0<div>If it was putted=C2=A0on contrib sources - no one have conc=
erns, i think.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3.=
 =D0=B2 14:57, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rodrigosloop@gma=
il.com">rodrigosloop@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">i think both henesy and BurnZeZ r=
an 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.<div dir=3D"auto">i&#39;m not aware of any =
license requirement, but do they (Nokia) even care?</div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 24, 20=
19, 1:26 PM hiro &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:23hiro@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
23hiro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex">who is selling those licenses?<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature">=D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=
=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=
=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8<br>=D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=
=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9<br>With best regards<br>Zhilkin Sergey</div>

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> http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README=20
t
=F0=9F=98=80

that was my stuff, but its only the documentation that was published,
not the code. there was a single floppy
demo which might be around.

I do have a 2nd edition license but i would not release the code without sig=
n-off from lucent, nokia, or whoever owns the code these days.

bell-labs payed for the research work that produced plan9 and respect them (=
and their licensing terms) fir doing so.

-Steve




> On 25 Sep 2019, at 7:40 am, Sergey Zhilkin <szhilkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> 2nd Ed are still around http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-ed=
ition/pcdist/README=20
> If it was putted on contrib sources - no one have concerns, i think.
>=20
> =D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:57, Rodr=
igo G. L=C3=B3pez <rodrigosloop@gmail.com>:
>> i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.
>> i'm not aware of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia) even care?
>>=20
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> who is selling those licenses?
>>>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> =D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=
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> With best regards
> Zhilkin Sergey

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); back=
ground-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href=3D"http://9p.io/sources/contr=
ib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README">http://9p.io/sources/contrib/st=
eve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README</a>&nbsp;</span></font></div></div></=
blockquote>t</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=F0=9F=98=80</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">that was my stuff, but its only the documentation that w=
as published,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">not the code. there was a single floppy<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">demo which might be around.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I do have a 2nd edition license but i would not relea=
se the code without sign-off from lucent, nokia, or whoever owns the code th=
ese days.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">bell-labs payed f=
or the research work that produced plan9 and respect them (and their licensi=
ng terms) fir doing so.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-St=
eve</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 25 Sep 2019, at 7:40 am, Sergey Zhilki=
n &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:szhilkin@gmail.com">szhilkin@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">2nd Ed are still around&nbsp;<font color=3D"#000000"><span s=
tyle=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);=
"><a href=3D"http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/=
README">http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/READM=
E</a>&nbsp;</span></font></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If it was putted&nbsp;on contrib sour=
ces - no one have concerns, i think.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=
=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:57, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:rodrigosloop@gmail.com">rodrigosloop@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">i think both henes=
y and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.<div dir=3D"auto">i'm not awa=
re of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia) even care?</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Se=
p 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:23hiro@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">23hiro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex">who is selling those licenses?<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_signature">=D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=
=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=
=D0=B8<br>=D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=
=D0=B9<br>With best regards<br>Zhilkin Sergey</div>

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 18:06:53 +0300
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To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
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Do not know anything about licensing, but found Plan 9 archive on
archive.org :)  https://archive.org/details/plan9archive
This archive include all editions and iso's.

=D1=81=D1=80, 25 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:36, Steve=
 Simon <steve@quintile.net>:

>
> http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README
>
> t
> =F0=9F=98=80
>
> that was my stuff, but its only the documentation that was published,
> not the code. there was a single floppy
> demo which might be around.
>
> I do have a 2nd edition license but i would not release the code without
> sign-off from lucent, nokia, or whoever owns the code these days.
>
> bell-labs payed for the research work that produced plan9 and respect the=
m
> (and their licensing terms) fir doing so.
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
> On 25 Sep 2019, at 7:40 am, Sergey Zhilkin <szhilkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2nd Ed are still around
> http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README
>
> If it was putted on contrib sources - no one have concerns, i think.
>
> =D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:57, Rod=
rigo G. L=C3=B3pez <rodrigosloop@gmail.com>:
>
>> i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.
>> i'm not aware of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia) even care?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> who is selling those licenses?
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> =D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=
=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8
> =D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9
> With best regards
> Zhilkin Sergey
>
>

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hive on <a href=3D"http://archive.org">archive.org</a> :)=C2=A0

<a href=3D"https://archive.org/details/plan9archive">https://archive.org/de=
tails/plan9archive</a>=C2=A0<div>This archive include all editions and iso&=
#39;s.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">=D1=81=D1=80, 25 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =
=D0=B2 20:36, Steve Simon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:steve@quintile.net">steve@q=
uintile.net</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)=
"><a href=3D"http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist=
/README" target=3D"_blank">http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-=
edition/pcdist/README</a>=C2=A0</span></font></div></div></blockquote>t</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">=F0=9F=98=80</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">that was my stuff, but its only the documentation that was published,=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">not the code. there was a single floppy</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">demo which might be around.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">I do have a 2nd edition license but i would not release the cod=
e without sign-off from lucent, nokia, or whoever owns the code these days.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">bell-labs payed for the r=
esearch work that produced plan9 and respect them (and their licensing term=
s) fir doing so.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-Steve</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 25 Sep 2019, at 7:40 am, Sergey Zhilkin &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:szhilkin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">szhilkin@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">2nd Ed are still around=C2=A0<font color=3D"#000000"><span=
 style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href=3D"http://9p.io/sou=
rces/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README</a>=C2=
=A0</span></font></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If it was putted=C2=A0on contrib sources - =
no one have concerns, i think.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=
=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:57, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:rodrigosloop@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rodrigosloop@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto=
">i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.<div dir=
=3D"auto">i&#39;m not aware of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia)=
 even care?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:2=
3hiro@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">23hiro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">who is selling those lic=
enses?<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>=D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=
=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8<br>=D0=96=D0=
=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9<br>With be=
st regards<br>Zhilkin Sergey</div>

</div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></di=
v>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">=D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=
=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=
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=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9<br>With best regards<br>Zhilkin=
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From: Phil Kulin <schors@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 22:50:30 +0300
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To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
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It's great! Is there a script somewhere that translate 8.3 names to normal
UTF8 through _CONFORM.MAP?

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 6:09 PM Sergey Zhilkin <szhilkin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do not know anything about licensing, but found Plan 9 archive on
> archive.org :)  https://archive.org/details/plan9archive
> This archive include all editions and iso's.
>
> =D1=81=D1=80, 25 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:36, Ste=
ve Simon <steve@quintile.net>:
>
>>
>> http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README
>>
>> t
>> =F0=9F=98=80
>>
>> that was my stuff, but its only the documentation that was published,
>> not the code. there was a single floppy
>> demo which might be around.
>>
>> I do have a 2nd edition license but i would not release the code without
>> sign-off from lucent, nokia, or whoever owns the code these days.
>>
>> bell-labs payed for the research work that produced plan9 and respect
>> them (and their licensing terms) fir doing so.
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 Sep 2019, at 7:40 am, Sergey Zhilkin <szhilkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2nd Ed are still around
>> http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README
>>
>> If it was putted on contrib sources - no one have concerns, i think.
>>
>> =D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:57, Ro=
drigo G. L=C3=B3pez <rodrigosloop@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.
>>> i'm not aware of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia) even care=
?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> who is selling those licenses?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> =D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=
=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8
>> =D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=
=B9
>> With best regards
>> Zhilkin Sergey
>>
>>
>
> --
> =D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=
=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8
> =D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9
> With best regards
> Zhilkin Sergey
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s great! Is there a script somewhere that translate=
 8.3 names to normal UTF8 through=C2=A0_CONFORM.MAP?</div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at =
6:09 PM Sergey Zhilkin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:szhilkin@gmail.com">szhilkin@g=
mail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Do not know anything about licensing, but found Pl=
an 9 archive on <a href=3D"http://archive.org" target=3D"_blank">archive.or=
g</a> :)=C2=A0

<a href=3D"https://archive.org/details/plan9archive" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://archive.org/details/plan9archive</a>=C2=A0<div>This archive include all=
 editions and iso&#39;s.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D1=81=D1=80, 25 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=
=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:36, Steve Simon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:steve@qui=
ntile.net" target=3D"_blank">steve@quintile.net</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"=
background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href=3D"http://9p.io/sources/contr=
ib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README" target=3D"_blank">http://9p.io=
/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README</a>=C2=A0</span><=
/font></div></div></blockquote>t</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=F0=9F=98=80</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">that was my stuff, but its only t=
he documentation that was published,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">not the code. th=
ere was a single floppy</div><div dir=3D"ltr">demo which might be around.</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I do have a 2nd edition lic=
ense but i would not release the code without sign-off from lucent, nokia, =
or whoever owns the code these days.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">bell-labs payed for the research work that produced plan9 and re=
spect them (and their licensing terms) fir doing so.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-Steve</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 25 Se=
p 2019, at 7:40 am, Sergey Zhilkin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:szhilkin@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">szhilkin@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">2nd Ed are still around=C2=A0<font color=3D"#000000"><span=
 style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href=3D"http://9p.io/sou=
rces/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README</a>=C2=
=A0</span></font></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If it was putted=C2=A0on contrib sources - =
no one have concerns, i think.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=
=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:57, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:rodrigosloop@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rodrigosloop@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto=
">i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.<div dir=
=3D"auto">i&#39;m not aware of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia)=
 even care?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:2=
3hiro@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">23hiro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">who is selling those lic=
enses?<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>=D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=
=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8<br>=D0=96=D0=
=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9<br>With be=
st regards<br>Zhilkin Sergey</div>

</div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></di=
v>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">=D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=
=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=
=D0=BC=D0=B8<br>=D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=
=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9<br>With best regards<br>Zhilkin Sergey</div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature">Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da glo=
riam<br>Phil Kulin</div>

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 23:24:38 +0300
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I think it was pip(8)

=D0=B2=D1=82, 8 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 22:52, Phil Kulin <=
schors@gmail.com>:

> It's great! Is there a script somewhere that translate 8.3 names to norma=
l
> UTF8 through _CONFORM.MAP?
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 6:09 PM Sergey Zhilkin <szhilkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do not know anything about licensing, but found Plan 9 archive on
>> archive.org :)  https://archive.org/details/plan9archive
>> This archive include all editions and iso's.
>>
>> =D1=81=D1=80, 25 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:36, St=
eve Simon <steve@quintile.net>:
>>
>>>
>>> http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README
>>>
>>> t
>>> =F0=9F=98=80
>>>
>>> that was my stuff, but its only the documentation that was published,
>>> not the code. there was a single floppy
>>> demo which might be around.
>>>
>>> I do have a 2nd edition license but i would not release the code withou=
t
>>> sign-off from lucent, nokia, or whoever owns the code these days.
>>>
>>> bell-labs payed for the research work that produced plan9 and respect
>>> them (and their licensing terms) fir doing so.
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 Sep 2019, at 7:40 am, Sergey Zhilkin <szhilkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2nd Ed are still around
>>> http://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README
>>>
>>> If it was putted on contrib sources - no one have concerns, i think.
>>>
>>> =D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:57, R=
odrigo G. L=C3=B3pez <rodrigosloop@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.
>>>> i'm not aware of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia) even car=
e?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> who is selling those licenses?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> =D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=
=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8
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=B9
>>> With best regards
>>> Zhilkin Sergey
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> =D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=
=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8
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=B9
>> With best regards
>> Zhilkin Sergey
>>
>
>
> --
> Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam
> Phil Kulin
>


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With best regards
Zhilkin Sergey

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think it was pip(8)</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=B2=D1=82, 8 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2=
019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 22:52, Phil Kulin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schors@gmail.com=
">schors@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s great! Is there a script somewhere th=
at translate 8.3 names to normal UTF8 through=C2=A0_CONFORM.MAP?</div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct=
 8, 2019 at 6:09 PM Sergey Zhilkin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:szhilkin@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">szhilkin@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Do not know anything=
 about licensing, but found Plan 9 archive on <a href=3D"http://archive.org=
" target=3D"_blank">archive.org</a> :)=C2=A0

<a href=3D"https://archive.org/details/plan9archive" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://archive.org/details/plan9archive</a>=C2=A0<div>This archive include all=
 editions and iso&#39;s.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D1=81=D1=80, 25 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=
=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:36, Steve Simon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:steve@qui=
ntile.net" target=3D"_blank">steve@quintile.net</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"=
background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href=3D"http://9p.io/sources/contr=
ib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README" target=3D"_blank">http://9p.io=
/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README</a>=C2=A0</span><=
/font></div></div></blockquote>t</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=F0=9F=98=80</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">that was my stuff, but its only t=
he documentation that was published,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">not the code. th=
ere was a single floppy</div><div dir=3D"ltr">demo which might be around.</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I do have a 2nd edition lic=
ense but i would not release the code without sign-off from lucent, nokia, =
or whoever owns the code these days.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">bell-labs payed for the research work that produced plan9 and re=
spect them (and their licensing terms) fir doing so.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-Steve</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 25 Se=
p 2019, at 7:40 am, Sergey Zhilkin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:szhilkin@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">szhilkin@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">2nd Ed are still around=C2=A0<font color=3D"#000000"><span=
 style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href=3D"http://9p.io/sou=
rces/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://9p.io/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/README</a>=C2=
=A0</span></font></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If it was putted=C2=A0on contrib sources - =
no one have concerns, i think.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=B2=D1=82, 24 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=
=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:57, Rodrigo G. L=C3=B3pez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:rodrigosloop@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rodrigosloop@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto=
">i think both henesy and BurnZeZ ran 1st and 2nd Ed at some point.<div dir=
=3D"auto">i&#39;m not aware of any license requirement, but do they (Nokia)=
 even care?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 1:26 PM hiro &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:2=
3hiro@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">23hiro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">who is selling those lic=
enses?<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>=D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=
=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8<br>=D0=96=D0=
=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9<br>With be=
st regards<br>Zhilkin Sergey</div>

</div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></di=
v>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">=D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=
=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=
=D0=BC=D0=B8<br>=D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=
=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9<br>With best regards<br>Zhilkin Sergey</div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam<br>Phil Kulin</div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature">=D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=
=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=
=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8<br>=D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=
=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9<br>With best regards<br>Zhilkin Sergey</div>

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if you mount an iso containing a _CONFORM.MAP on plan9 with 9660srv it translates the filenames for you.

-Steve