From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10710300737j13b994dbve29aac0c03cd301e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:37:06 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [9fans] ieee authentication standard Topicbox-Message-UUID: e05972be-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I don't know how many of you see this stuff, but ... http://tinyurl.com/234l92 Our industry is into this "every little thing is different" mode it seems. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60710300829g27b4d3f9s5107110772340c52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:29:42 -0700 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ieee authentication standard In-Reply-To: <13426df10710300737j13b994dbve29aac0c03cd301e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1014_24337091.1193758182788" References: <13426df10710300737j13b994dbve29aac0c03cd301e@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: e05da4ce-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_1014_24337091.1193758182788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/30/07, ron minnich wrote: > > I don't know how many of you see this stuff, but ... > > http://tinyurl.com/234l92 > > Our industry is into this "every little thing is different" mode it seems. > > ron > If that were true... what's with XML everywhere? ------=_Part_1014_24337091.1193758182788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 10/30/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how many of you see this stuff, but ...

http://tinyurl.com/234l92

Our industry is into this "every little thing is different" mode it seems.

ron

If that were true... what's with XML everywhere?
------=_Part_1014_24337091.1193758182788-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <14d0a313e93a56fb06af41ca8052eea6@quanstro.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ieee authentication standard From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:32:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60710300829g27b4d3f9s5107110772340c52@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: e07d7600-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >> >> I don't know how many of you see this stuff, but ... >> >> http://tinyurl.com/234l92 >> >> Our industry is into this "every little thing is different" mode it seems. >> >> ron >> > > If that were true... what's with XML everywhere? this isn't slashdot. you're supposed to read the article before commenting. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:36:32 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ieee authentication standard In-Reply-To: <14d0a313e93a56fb06af41ca8052eea6@quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0945a1e-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > > > If that were true... what's with XML everywhere? > > this isn't slashdot. you're supposed to read the article > before commenting. > > - erik > what the article outlines is a meta standard that makes no decision on authentication for pluggable storage. it just outlines a layer of goo ontop of the undefined authentication standards. this kind of standard reminds me of acpi. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10710300931j575ca374lbacd26c3f3397478@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:31:25 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ieee authentication standard In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <14d0a313e93a56fb06af41ca8052eea6@quanstro.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0985c68-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 10/30/07, erik quanstrom wrote: > what the article outlines is a meta standard that makes no > decision on authentication for pluggable storage. it just > outlines a layer of goo ontop of the undefined authentication > standards. > > this kind of standard reminds me of acpi. Yeah. I just watch this stuff go by, in continuous flow. I'm seeing it now with NFS. It's just more and more crud piled higher and higher. The perceived solution to problems with software is to add more software, in each case, which is why (e.g.) Linux kernel is growing *exponentially*. I keep thinking there has to be a way to call a halt, but I don't know how. Ah well, just another rant, but it's interesting to see how far and wide this stuff is spreading. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ieee authentication standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:31:25 PDT." <13426df10710300931j575ca374lbacd26c3f3397478@mail.gmail.com> From: Bakul Shah Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:52:31 -0700 Message-Id: <20071030165231.BE1A95BAE@mail.bitblocks.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: e09c651a-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > this kind of standard reminds me of acpi. > > Yeah. I just watch this stuff go by, in continuous flow. Why would you want to do that? Watch I mean. > I'm seeing it > now with NFS. It's just more and more crud piled higher and higher. > The perceived solution to problems with software is to add more > software, in each case, which is why (e.g.) Linux kernel is growing > *exponentially*. They got to keep up with the Gateses. > I keep thinking there has to be a way to call a halt, but I don't know how. You can't. Let it go. It is time to embrace meditation or yoga or Prozac. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ieee authentication standard From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:54:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <13426df10710300931j575ca374lbacd26c3f3397478@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0a0a828-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Yeah. I just watch this stuff go by, in continuous flow. I'm seeing it > now with NFS. It's just more and more crud piled higher and higher. > The perceived solution to problems with software is to add more > software, in each case, which is why (e.g.) Linux kernel is growing > *exponentially*. > > I keep thinking there has to be a way to call a halt, but I don't know how. > > Ah well, just another rant, but it's interesting to see how far and > wide this stuff is spreading. i think there's a view that standards are stackable. there's nothing wrong with this per ce. but, really, why should i have to print out 1 foot of standards to figure out how (e.g.) ipmi consoles work. not everything these days has gone that way. ahci is a pretty good standard. a modern, generic way to talk to sata drives with hot plug with just a few registers. would have been better without ncq, though. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60710301042n148a7ab1wc8ef0d113840cdbc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:42:42 -0700 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ieee authentication standard In-Reply-To: <14d0a313e93a56fb06af41ca8052eea6@quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1452_28304321.1193766162751" References: <3e1162e60710300829g27b4d3f9s5107110772340c52@mail.gmail.com> <14d0a313e93a56fb06af41ca8052eea6@quanstro.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0c3f4d6-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_1452_28304321.1193766162751 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/30/07, erik quanstrom wrote: > > >> > >> I don't know how many of you see this stuff, but ... > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/234l92 > >> > >> Our industry is into this "every little thing is different" mode it > seems. > >> > >> ron > >> > > > > If that were true... what's with XML everywhere? > > this isn't slashdot. you're supposed to read the article > before commenting. > > - erik > > I was rather commenting on the comment about the trend in the industry to "every little thing is different". Of course if something in the industry are all the same b/c of XML, and everything else is different, I suppose that holds. Reminds me of that scene in The Life of Brian where a mob says "Yes we are all different" then the lone voice says "I'm not" ------=_Part_1452_28304321.1193766162751 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 10/30/07, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>>
>> I don't know how many of you see this stuff, but ...
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/234l92
>>
>> Our industry is into this "every little thing is different" mode it seems.
>>
>> ron
>>
>
> If that were true... what's with XML everywhere?

this isn't slashdot.  you're supposed to read the article
before commenting.

- erik

I was rather commenting on the comment about the trend in the industry to "every little thing is different".

Of course if something in the industry are all the same b/c of XML, and everything else is different, I suppose that holds.

Reminds me of that scene in The Life of Brian  where a mob says "Yes we are all different" then the lone voice says "I'm not"
------=_Part_1452_28304321.1193766162751-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ieee authentication standard From: Charles Forsyth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:53:43 +0000 In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60710301042n148a7ab1wc8ef0d113840cdbc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0c7c980-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Of course if something in the industry are all the same b/c of XML, and > everything else is different, I suppose that holds. there are quite often different and even unrelated XML representations for the same things From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:46:41 +0100 From: Christian Kellermann To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ieee authentication standard Message-ID: <20071030194641.GB7416@hermes.my.domain> References: <13426df10710300931j575ca374lbacd26c3f3397478@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0d3b4e8-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * erik quanstrom [071030 17:59]: >=20 > i think there's a view that standards are stackable. there's nothing wro= ng > with this per ce. but, really, why should i have to print out 1 foot of > standards to figure out how (e.g.) ipmi consoles work. >=20 Well DVB standards or DMB standards are some examples of this sort. DVB-H is my favorite. They even consider this a feature called 'Multiprotocol Encapsulation': Take your IP based RTP Stream, pack it into = an MPEG-TS, pack this into packets and air it. Of course each with their own e= rror protection... All for the sake of staying in the 'IP World' for receivers...Did I hear someone calling 'Bingo!' just now...? Christian --=20 You may use my gpg key for replies: pub 1024D/47F79788 2005/02/02 Christian Kellermann (C-Keen) --St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (OpenBSD) iD8DBQFHJ4ohXYob3Uf3l4gRAlS6AJ4xUyOb2pLKNVDCtdyYjlcBS9RkJgCfZP5X xIF5G9X4Q2Q5ifhSFvHb9FQ= =q9bL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13--