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This ensures that developme= nt efforts are coordinated, focused, and aligned with the project's goals. There currently is no project 5e. That's why there's no need for a core tea= m, but people to start the project. > 2. *Consistency and Stability*: With a dedicated Core Team, there is a be= tter chance of maintaining consistency and stability in the development pro= cess. This can lead to more reliable and predictable updates. This will happen somewhat automatically once people are there who do the wo= rk. There's no need for an official core team. > 3. *Efficient Decision-Making*: The Core Team can streamline decision-mak= ing processes, especially for critical technical decisions. This can help a= void delays and conflicts that might arise in a more decentralized developm= ent model. > > 4. *Attracting Contributors*: Having a well-defined leadership structure = can make the project more attractive to potential contributors, as they can= see a clear path for their contributions and how they can impact the proje= ct's direction. Who/What attracts the attractors? People will join when it's attractive to join. What do you offer to the cor= e team besides your vision? > 5. *Community Cohesion*: A Core Team can act as a unifying force within t= he community, bringing together contributors from various Plan 9 distributi= ons and projects. It fosters collaboration and cooperation. > > 6. *Long-Term Sustainability*: By focusing on technical governance, a Cor= e Team can help ensure the long-term sustainability of the project, making = it less reliant on the efforts of a single individual or a small group. > > 7. *Representation*: The Core Team can include representatives from diffe= rent Plan 9 distributions, ensuring that various voices and perspectives ar= e considered in the decision-making process. > > 8. *Resource Allocation*: The Core Team can allocate resources more effic= iently, directing efforts towards areas that are most critical to the proje= ct's success. There are no resources yet that should be directed. I can only see a vision= and you who offers the vision. Do you also offer other resources like code? > 9. *Enhanced Documentation*: With a centralized team, there's often a bet= ter opportunity to maintain and improve project documentation, making it ea= sier for newcomers to understand and contribute to the project. That needs people who do the work. > 10. *Fostering Innovation*: A Core Team can actively promote innovation a= nd new features, driving the evolution of the Plan 9 operating system in a = direction that aligns with the community's needs and goals. As you can see in the inline responses, you first need people who do the wo= rk. Without that, there's no need (and also no opportunity) to build a core= team. You can, however, start yourself and wait for people to join. Be the core a= nd don't just wait for the core. You can even build a company and hire people to get things started faster. = But that again needs resources: money. Note that I'm not opposed to your general vision. There are many very good = aspects in there. I just can't envision that in an official 5e release, but= in another fork (maybe of an existing fork). I personally would think it's= best to built upon 9front, because they have good hardware support already= . And there's many great ideas in that bubble, some of them get rejected. sirjofri ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T8d272411830cebfc-M4de27= dbacdbae89894fcd074 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription