From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:27:37 +0000 From: mycroftiv@sphericalharmony.com To: 9fans@9fans.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 professional engineers, tear up your NDAs! Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2c7aa942-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > See this thread for a hint: > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/comp.os.plan9/2PwnP0KfJ5A I knew the outline of this but I hadn't read the exact thread. The idea that there is an either/or choice is ridiculous. I would think Rob Pike and RSC are plenty smart enough to run Qemu Plan 9 on a random linux box and Drawterm in. One decent linux server could run Qemu Plan 9s for anyone in Google who wanted it, and they can Drawterm in and have beautiful integration of Plan 9 with their native os. How can RSC and Rob Pike not be doing the very simple things which allow you to build a composite environment that has the strenghts of both? I have a mixed grid that has 4 native plan 9 boxes, 1 local linux box, 2 remote linux boxes, and 2 remote plan 9 nodes. You would think that if a random hippie from 4chan can love Plan 9 enough to figure out how to build a personal grid that smoothly integrates all these resources and keeps my data backed up and gives me the most wonderful computing environment in the world - so would those guys. Hey, Original Plan 9 guys - I LOVE YOU BUT CMON HERE!!! You don't have to go crazy like I did! Just have google set up a linux server of Qemu Plan 9 nodes and everyone has drawterm. In fact tell the Google guys they should use the 9queen.gz ANTS Qemu image that is fully installed and ready to use, if they are lazy. Anyway, it is truly shocking to me to see the totally false dichotomy of "either/or" used by the Google guys to justify not making active use of Plan 9. Using Plan 9 doesn't mean giving up anything else, because they made it network transparent! Despite what the Google guys are up to, I am still quite confident that there are some people somewhere in the world doing amazing things with 9P, and then Not Discussing It Publicly, Especially Not With Crazy Anti-Patent Hippies. I think it's lame that there aren't more people doing the same things I am, and building mid-to-large sized home/office grids. Even when people don't want to track down native hardware, it isn't hard to build a grid on one box with virtual machines to explore what Plan 9 does beyond the 4-node frontier, where things get truly magical as multiple cpus share root and import all the important synthetic fses to share things. Plan Nine is worth going crazy over, people. -Ben Kidwell "mycroftiv" Here's a poem for the p9pers at Google: If you don't have a real namespace Install Plan 9 or else lose face! Time for revolution on the moon base Plan 9 from Bell Labs to outer space