From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: C H Forsyth Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:45:40 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] datakit In-Reply-To: <4697c901caf1f3aef38bcb285334b6ea@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: d776c28c-eacd-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 >>We could certainly have done worse, OSI being the scariest of the >>possible disasters (and it's not quite dead yet, it keeps popping up >>in places like LDAP!). until recently i felt one hasn't actually needed all that many RFCs implemented to get on with the world. the complexity creature from the OSI swamp seems to have reappeared not just in L(!)DAP but more cunningly in XML disguise in WS-* land. like many successors WS begins to make some of the worst cursed predecessors start to look good: a vast and growing collection of incomplete complexity, perhaps it's revenge for disdaining PL/1 and JCL. Gods! A hideous beast, baying is pursuing us! more seriously, i observed the other day to someone that the curious thing about the rise of complexity this time is that as far as i can tell, there seems to be no significant counter-culture to it, as there has been in times past. ``where you gonna go? where you gonna run? ...'' i say that in the hopes that someone will say: it's just building up momentum over here ...