[9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Sander van Dijk]

Hi 9fans,

Does anyone know what the meaning/origin of "//GO.SYSIN DD" in
bundle(1) is? I've seen this on other unix-likes as well, but I
thought I'd ask here since the awareness of historical context seems
to be quite a bit above average on this list.

Thanks, Sander.

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Charles Forsyth]

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see these manual pages: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA1B640/12.0?DT=20000718114500

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From: "Sander van Dijk" <a.h.vandijk@gmail.com>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:09:37 +0200
Message-ID: <ba0d3bc70807260409j3d00b1f8x694641f7a296ae52@mail.gmail.com>

Hi 9fans,

Does anyone know what the meaning/origin of "//GO.SYSIN DD" in
bundle(1) is? I've seen this on other unix-likes as well, but I
thought I'd ask here since the awareness of historical context seems
to be quite a bit above average on this list.

Thanks, Sander.

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Rob Pike]

I first saw it used in bundling software created by James Gosling,
and liked the (relevant, I might add) joke so much I put it in the
Plan 9 version.

-rob

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Sander van Dijk]

Charles, Rob, Greg,

Thanks for the context.

Greetings, Sander.

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[ron minnich]

more useless crap from memory:

the actual correct usage is
//GO.SYSIN DD *

but of course the * would make things messy.

See this and realize this stuff is still being taught!
http://www.coba.unt.edu/itds/courses/bcis3690/bcis3690.htm

ron

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Roman V. Shaposhnik]

ron minnich wrote:
> more useless crap from memory:
>
> the actual correct usage is
> //GO.SYSIN DD *
>
> but of course the * would make things messy.
>
> See this and realize this stuff is still being taught!
> http://www.coba.unt.edu/itds/courses/bcis3690/bcis3690.ht
So... for the dense ones (like myself), what IS the joke Rob was
referring to? JCL == Java Control Language?

Thanks,
Roman.

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Rodolfo kix Garci­a]

Job Control Language, I am not sure, but I belive was/is used in batch 
proccessing in the IBM Mainframes.

Roman V. Shaposhnik escribió:
> ron minnich wrote:
>> more useless crap from memory:
>>
>> the actual correct usage is
>> //GO.SYSIN DD *
>>
>> but of course the * would make things messy.
>>
>> See this and realize this stuff is still being taught!
>> http://www.coba.unt.edu/itds/courses/bcis3690/bcis3690.ht
> So... for the dense ones (like myself), what IS the joke Rob was
> referring to? JCL == Java Control Language?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[erik quanstrom]

> Job Control Language, I am not sure, but I belive was/is used in batch
> proccessing in the IBM Mainframes.

if invented today, it would be called cobolscript.

- erik

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Charles Forsyth]

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>JCL == Java Control Language?

the Job Control Language for System/360

if you follow the link i gave you'll see more.

bundles are implemented by here documents,
and the end marker for the document must not appear
in the data, and IBM JCL syntax (even if it were strictly correct)
was unlikely to appear on Unix systems
but would still have a cheery familiarity to some.
the elaborate DD statement defines file associations for a job and
can manipulate permanent files (commonly used with IEFBR14)

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From: "Roman V. Shaposhnik" <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:42:30 -0700
Message-ID: <488F5686.6030904@sun.com>

ron minnich wrote:
> more useless crap from memory:
>
> the actual correct usage is
> //GO.SYSIN DD *
>
> but of course the * would make things messy.
>
> See this and realize this stuff is still being taught!
> http://www.coba.unt.edu/itds/courses/bcis3690/bcis3690.ht
So... for the dense ones (like myself), what IS the joke Rob was
referring to? JCL == Java Control Language?

Thanks,
Roman.

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Roman V. Shaposhnik]

Charles Forsyth wrote:
>> JCL == Java Control Language?
>>
>
> the Job Control Language for System/360
>
Yeah, I kind of knew that ;-) I was trying to come
up with the best joke I could. If this is not it, I have
no clue what could be funny about JCL ;-)
> bundles are implemented by here documents,
> and the end marker for the document must not appear
> in the data, and IBM JCL syntax (even if it were strictly correct)
> was unlikely to appear on Unix systems
> but would still have a cheery familiarity to some.
> the elaborate DD statement defines file associations for a job and
> can manipulate permanent files (commonly used with IEFBR14)
>
Now this does make sense.

Thanks,
Roman.

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> bundles are implemented by here documents,
> and the end marker for the document must not appear
> in the data

vague recollection (1982), it was something like:

//SYSIN	DD	*
data
records
go
here
/*

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Brantley Coile]

Now, if I can figure out how to do the over punch on this keyboard. :)

Job control language was more like assembler with very, very simple
operations.  The problem was that a lot of verby things got put into the
operands.

DD means data definition.  The first symbol, SYSIN in this case, is the
name that the program will open.  The operands after the DD operation
specified the device at which SYSIN pointed.  Splat was a sort of `here'
document.  The /* was the end-of-file for it.

Everyone I knew carried the Brown book which has examples of the common
permutations.  You had to modify for your local OS installation.  The
Brown book was actually blue.  The fellow should have been named Black.
  Because after banging your head on JCL it was Black and blue--not
Brown and blue.

Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>> bundles are implemented by here documents,
>> and the end marker for the document must not appear
>> in the data
>
> vague recollection (1982), it was something like:
>
> //SYSIN	DD	*
> data
> records
> go
> here
> /*
>
>

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Greg Comeau]

In article <488F5686.6030904@sun.com>, Roman V. Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com> wrote:
>ron minnich wrote:
>> more useless crap from memory:
>>
>> the actual correct usage is
>> //GO.SYSIN DD *
>>
>> but of course the * would make things messy.
>>
>> See this and realize this stuff is still being taught!
>> http://www.coba.unt.edu/itds/courses/bcis3690/bcis3690.ht
>So... for the dense ones (like myself), what IS the joke Rob was
>referring to? JCL == Java Control Language?

I doubt it.  Some files (some software packaged up) are make to unravel
and install themselves on a number of different systems just by running
the file, so I suspect it was a reference to something along those
lines, though I'm totally wild guessing myself, but suspect it
was being used something like a UNIX sh `here document', and he
thought that as cute enough to drag along :)
--
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Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

[Greg Comeau]

In article <ba0d3bc70807260409j3d00b1f8x694641f7a296ae52@mail.gmail.com>,
Sander van Dijk <a.h.vandijk@gmail.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know what the meaning/origin of "//GO.SYSIN DD" in
>bundle(1) is? I've seen this on other unix-likes as well, but I
>thought I'd ask here since the awareness of historical context seems
>to be quite a bit above average on this list.

Wow, never thought I'd see that again in my lifetime :)
It's from JCL (Job Control Language) from IBM mainframes,
in short, the "statement" in your subject involved a way
to specify where your "default" input was coming from
(it had/has other attributes you could add to the line to
say more about the file etc).  Dunno why it's coming along
here but probably some sort of emulator or something similar.
--
Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta!
Comeau C/C++ ONLINE ==>     http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout
World Class Compilers:  Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90.
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