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From: "Filipp Andronov" <filipp.andronov@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] A newbie question...
Date: Sun,  3 Feb 2008 14:39:11 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b11249e00802030339n3c1562aex84fd63f4600ecea7@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f61c579fc76c212d3a604558e432baad@proxima.alt.za>

Thanks, this is very similar to my thoughts.

So if i want port some big linux application to Plan9 i need start new
project and copy parts of code from original one. From one side it is
sad, because it's very ugly development model (for example if original
project will be update, i need update my project too, so there are two
"targets" for every update).  On another hand i could concentrate on
new Pla9 techniques and create more powerful analogous of linux
software.

thanks for replies )

2008/2/3, lucio@proxima.alt.za <lucio@proxima.alt.za>:
> > Main trouble in 1 step. Because after that i couldn't post in project
> > mail list, "Hey gays, i have create Plan9 port of your application,
> > please check it out and put in CVS trunk".
>
> There's no cure for this.  The touted portability of the autotools is
> restricted to the GNU environment and the moment you step outside of
> it, this is what occurs.  It's a philosophy that has turned into a
> religion largely by losing its focus or, if you prefer, shifting its
> objective.
>
> Plan 9 becomes the proof thereof, if autotools were as successful as
> claimed, it ought to be trivial to port them to a different platform.
> It isn't, nor is it necessary.  In porting the code for libtiff and
> geotiff to Plan 9 I added a few "mkfiles" to zlib, the jpeg tools,
> png, gd and eventually libtiff and geotiff.  The sum total of these
> mkfiles is probably less than two thousand lines.  But it is
> impossible to feed these back to the developers, because they do not
> fit into their philosophical scheme.
>
> As another example, check out graphviz.  From version 1 to version 2
> (I think) they moved from a custom configurator to the autotools.
> Beside totally losing Plan 9 portability in the bargain, it is my
> impression that they spent more effort on the autotools details than
> in improving graphviz itself.
>
> ++L
>
>


  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-03 11:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-01  0:22 Michael Andronov
2008-02-01  0:25 ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-01  0:31   ` john
2008-02-01  0:30 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-04  0:59   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-01  2:16 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-01  8:50 ` John Stalker
2008-02-01 17:15   ` Michael Andronov
2008-02-02  4:43     ` Michael Andronov
2008-02-02  4:57       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 13:02         ` Steve Simon
2008-02-04 10:21           ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-04 10:52             ` mattmobile
2008-02-04 11:12               ` Uriel
2008-02-04 11:47                 ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-04 15:42                   ` Alf
2008-02-04 16:06                     ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-04 16:53                       ` Steve Simon
2008-02-04 19:51                       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-06  9:53                   ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-06 19:11                     ` Joel C. Salomon
2008-02-07  1:32                       ` Uriel
2008-02-07  1:44                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-07  9:54                       ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-06  9:45               ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-04 11:09             ` Uriel
2008-02-06  9:53               ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-04 14:32             ` [9fans] cross-compilation Charles Forsyth
2008-02-02  4:57       ` [9fans] A newbie question Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02  7:12         ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-02 14:57           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 15:30             ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-02 15:33               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 15:48                 ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-02 16:04                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 16:34                     ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-02 16:10                   ` Charles Forsyth
2008-02-02 17:41                     ` Uriel
2008-02-02 18:27                       ` Martin Neubauer
2008-02-02 19:22                         ` Juan M. Mendez
2008-02-02 19:42                           ` Anthony Sorace
2008-02-02 20:10                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-04  1:49                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-02 22:25                           ` ron minnich
2008-02-03  0:17                           ` Robert William Fuller
2008-02-03  0:30                             ` Rob Pike
2008-02-03  7:51                               ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-03  8:44                                 ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-03  9:30                                   ` lucio
2008-02-03 11:39                                     ` Filipp Andronov [this message]
2008-02-03 12:49                                       ` lucio
2008-02-03 13:25                                         ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-03 14:10                                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-04  2:05                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-08 16:40                                     ` plan9
2008-02-03 14:07                                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-03  0:33                             ` Uriel
2008-02-03  1:42                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-03  1:55                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-03 14:47                                 ` Paweł Lasek
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     [not found]                                       ` <b11249e00802030728p6475625kd19bdf54666272df@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <6018296E-43A8-43D5-94C1-6EE4B7CE36B6@mac.com>
     [not found]                                           ` <b11249e00802030756k6d11a110g76c2be92fc88d058@mail.gmail.com>
2008-02-03 16:12                                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-04  2:57                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-04  8:00                                               ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-04  2:03                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-03  7:31                               ` john
2008-02-03 15:01                             ` dave.l
2008-02-03 15:10                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 21:16                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 22:01                           ` Martin Neubauer
2008-02-04  1:02                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-04  1:11                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-04  1:19           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-04  1:29             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-02-05  2:23               ` David Arnold
2008-02-05  2:26                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-05  2:38                   ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-05  2:51                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-05  3:00                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-02-06  9:53                         ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-05  3:35                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-02-05  2:31                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-02  4:57 kokamoto
2008-02-04 12:12 gdiaz
2008-02-04 12:47 ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-04 13:01   ` Uriel
2008-02-04 13:41     ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-04 13:59       ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-04 14:36         ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-04 14:43         ` Martin Neubauer
2008-02-06  9:53         ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-06 10:02           ` erik quanstrom

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