From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:17:37 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3aaafc130908011210u62ed019ev5a91bf668e8fe9d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <13426df10907312012o65cceda4r45a97a981e2dcafa@mail.gmail.com> <6734c542c37eebd5e3cb4f064dea04b3@quanstro.net> <20090801145145.GA1044@polynum.com> <13426df10908010849g8bf24a9nbde0b817b7b3e65e@mail.gmail.com> <3aaafc130908011210u62ed019ev5a91bf668e8fe9d3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like) Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3585c2a4-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Ron, have you researched any long-term wear studies on these flash > drives? I've heard a lot of good things, > but I'm really put off by terms like "wear levelling", filesystems > optimized to work around flash's delicateness, > etc. > > I'm really interested in any numbers anyone has. just looking at the intel x25-e datasheet, the URE rate (unrecoverable read error) is the same as enterprise sata drives at 1e-15, but the mtbf is higher, but within a factor of two. assuming honest mtbf numbers, one would expect similar ures for the same io workload on the same size data set as mechanical disks. since flash drives are much smaller, there would obviously be fewer ures per drive. but needing 10x more drives, the mtbf would be worse per byte of storage than enterprise sata drives. so you'd see more overall failures. conclusion: you'll need raid for flash drives, too. this is a pretty suprising result. and i'm sure that a large number of people are going to jump up and argue. but here are the datasheets. http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/extreme/319984.pdf http://www.wdc.com/en/library/spec/2879-701281.pdf (i didn't see the wdc mtbf but i've seen it quoted as 1.2Mhrs, as http://hothardware.com/News/WD-Introduces-RE3-Enterprise-SATA-Hard-Drives/ ) perhaps the reason that it's so suprising is the same reason we didn't pay attention to the ure rate when hard drives were 512mb. would you expect to have a bad spot in 2,000 fujitsu eagles? that's ~ the amount of data you can store on one tb drive. - erik