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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] NUMA
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:54:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b710c08f41ab0222cee59359858d3657@ladd.quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110716180627.GA29488@polynum.com>

> If RISC has succeeded, this is precisely because the elements were
> simple enough to be implemented in hardware, and this simplicity allowed
> to work reliably on optimizations.

it's interesting you bring this up.  risc has largely been removed
from architectures.  if you tie the instruction set and machine model
to the actual hardware, then you need to write new compilers and
recompile everything every few years.  instead, the risc is hidden
and the instruction set stays the same.  this allows for a lot of
under-the-hood innovation in isolation from the architecture.

isolation is generally a good thing, and i don't believe i've seen
a compelling argument coupling architechture to implementation
is necessary.

(by architecture, of course, i mean what you read in the ia64 or
amd64 programmer's manual, not the implementation, which
intel unhelpfully calls the µarch.)

- erik



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-07-16 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-15 15:15 tlaronde
2011-07-15 20:21 ` tlaronde
2011-07-15 20:47   ` ron minnich
2011-07-15 22:59     ` Charles Forsyth
2011-07-16  8:02     ` tlaronde
2011-07-16 16:27       ` erik quanstrom
2011-07-16 18:06         ` tlaronde
2011-07-16 19:29           ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-07-16 19:54           ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2011-07-16 20:56             ` dexen deVries
2011-07-16 22:10               ` Charles Forsyth
2011-07-17  1:44                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-07-17  7:38                   ` tlaronde
2011-07-17  8:44                     ` Bakul Shah
2011-07-17 10:02                       ` tlaronde
2011-07-17 12:04                         ` dexen deVries
2011-07-17 15:24                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-07-17 15:28                         ` ron minnich
     [not found]                         ` <CAP6exYL2DJXbKfPZ8+D5uL=fRWKEyr8vY2OVc4NTO3wsFo=Unw@mail.gmail.c>
2011-07-17 15:32                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-07-17 17:16                         ` Bakul Shah
2011-07-17 17:21                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-07-17 15:51                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-07-17 16:12                       ` dexen deVries
2011-07-17 16:37                       ` tlaronde
2011-07-17 10:08               ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-07-17 14:50                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-07-17 17:01                   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-07-17  3:39       ` Joel C. Salomon
2011-07-17  7:01         ` tlaronde
2011-07-17 15:05           ` Joel C. Salomon
2011-07-17 15:26           ` erik quanstrom
2011-07-17 15:52             ` ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com

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