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* [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
@ 2022-05-20 19:35 adr
  2022-05-20 20:34 ` Charles Forsyth
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From: adr @ 2022-05-20 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Hi,

has someone done something with aarch64 on labs|9legacy?

Regards,
adr.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-20 19:35 [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy? adr
@ 2022-05-20 20:34 ` Charles Forsyth
  2022-05-20 21:25   ` adr
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From: Charles Forsyth @ 2022-05-20 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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It's called arm64

On Fri, 20 May 2022, 20:37 adr, <adr@sdf.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> has someone done something with aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
> 
> Regards,
> adr.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-20 20:34 ` Charles Forsyth
@ 2022-05-20 21:25   ` adr
  2022-05-21 16:13     ` Aram Hăvărneanu
  2022-05-22 18:18     ` Charles Forsyth
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From: adr @ 2022-05-20 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Fri, 20 May 2022, Charles Forsyth wrote:

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 21:34:05 +0100
> From: Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
> To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
> Subject: Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
> 
> It's called arm64

From https://developer.arm.com/documentation/den0024/a/Introduction?lang=en

"AArch64 is the name used to describe the 64-bit execution state
of the ARMv8 architecture. AArch32 describes the 32-bit execution
state of the ARMv8 architecture, which is almost identical to ARMv7.
GNU and Linux documentation (except for Redhat and Fedora distributions)
sometimes refers to AArch64 as ARM64."

I would agree that you could use the therm ARM64 as a synonym of
Aarch64, but giving me just that response... It isn't even funny.

adr.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-20 21:25   ` adr
@ 2022-05-21 16:13     ` Aram Hăvărneanu
  2022-05-21 16:39       ` ori
  2022-05-21 17:11       ` adr
  2022-05-22 18:18     ` Charles Forsyth
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From: Aram Hăvărneanu @ 2022-05-21 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Since Charles wrote the arm64 compiler, he can call it whatever he wants.

-- 
Aram Hăvărneanu

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-21 16:13     ` Aram Hăvărneanu
@ 2022-05-21 16:39       ` ori
  2022-05-21 17:06         ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
  2022-05-21 17:15         ` [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy? adr
  2022-05-21 17:11       ` adr
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From: ori @ 2022-05-21 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Quoth Aram Hăvărneanu <aram.h@mgk.ro>:
> Since Charles wrote the arm64 compiler, he can call it whatever he wants.
> 

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarch64


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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-21 16:39       ` ori
@ 2022-05-21 17:06         ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
  2022-05-21 17:53           ` [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?jj adr
  2022-05-21 17:15         ` [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy? adr
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From: Frank D. Engel, Jr. @ 2022-05-21 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

The compiler appears to be called 7c.

adr, looking at the original email on this thread, it is not very clear 
what you are trying to ask?


On 5/21/22 12:39 PM, ori@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Aram Hăvărneanu <aram.h@mgk.ro>:
>> Since Charles wrote the arm64 compiler, he can call it whatever he wants.
>>
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarch64
> 

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-21 16:13     ` Aram Hăvărneanu
  2022-05-21 16:39       ` ori
@ 2022-05-21 17:11       ` adr
  2022-05-21 17:38         ` Aram Hăvărneanu
  2022-05-21 17:43         ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
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From: adr @ 2022-05-21 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sat, 21 May 2022, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote:
> Since Charles wrote the arm64 compiler, he can call it whatever he wants.

I wasn't talking about any compiler. Yes, you can call your compiler
whatever you want. You can call it shitarm, just don't tell me that
the 64-bit Armv8-A architecture is called that (well, if you were
used to programming in A32 assembly and now you have to do it in
A64, I think you could call it _that_).

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-21 16:39       ` ori
  2022-05-21 17:06         ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
@ 2022-05-21 17:15         ` adr
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From: adr @ 2022-05-21 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sat, 21 May 2022, ori@eigenstate.org wrote:
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarch64

Thanks, really helpful.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-21 17:11       ` adr
@ 2022-05-21 17:38         ` Aram Hăvărneanu
  2022-05-21 18:01           ` adr
  2022-05-21 17:43         ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
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From: Aram Hăvărneanu @ 2022-05-21 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 7:12 PM adr <adr@sdf.org> wrote:
> I wasn't talking about any compiler.

Choosing $objtype (and $O, etc) is the first thing someone writing
a new Plan 9 compiler port does. These values are set in libmach.
I suggest reading the 2c(1) manual page, as well as the Plan 9
compiler papers which explain how the Plan 9 compiler works.

With this new information you will know what even if you didn't
think you were talking about the compiler, you were actually talking
about decisions made in the compiler when you were asking about
Plan 9 on some architecture or another.

It is fine if you do not agree with these decisions.

-- 
Aram Hăvărneanu

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-21 17:11       ` adr
  2022-05-21 17:38         ` Aram Hăvărneanu
@ 2022-05-21 17:43         ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Thaddeus Woskowiak @ 2022-05-21 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 1:13 PM adr <adr@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2022, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote:
> > Since Charles wrote the arm64 compiler, he can call it whatever he wants.
>
> I wasn't talking about any compiler. Yes, you can call your compiler
> whatever you want. You can call it shitarm, just don't tell me that
> the 64-bit Armv8-A architecture is called that (well, if you were
> used to programming in A32 assembly and now you have to do it in
> A64, I think you could call it _that_).
>

Arm isn't sending you a gift basket of shitty arm computers for
defending their ip. Besides, arm64 is perfectly descriptive vs. Arm's
confusing nomenclature which is just a lazy copy of Intel's iaXX
nomenclature.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?jj
  2022-05-21 17:06         ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
@ 2022-05-21 17:53           ` adr
  2022-05-21 18:00             ` Aram Hăvărneanu
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From: adr @ 2022-05-21 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sat, 21 May 2022, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> The compiler appears to be called 7c.
>
> adr, looking at the original email on this thread, it is not very clear what 
> you are trying to ask?

There is no 7c on labs' , there is no patch for aarch64, arm64 or
whatever you want to call it in 9legacy. There is no kernel for
any aarch64 machine on labs/legacy. Seriously, what is so hard to
understand in this frase:

  has someone done something with aarch64 on labs|9legacy?

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?jj
  2022-05-21 17:53           ` [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?jj adr
@ 2022-05-21 18:00             ` Aram Hăvărneanu
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From: Aram Hăvărneanu @ 2022-05-21 18:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 7:54 PM adr <adr@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> There is no 7c on labs' , there is no patch for aarch64, arm64 or
> whatever you want to call it in 9legacy. There is no kernel for
> any aarch64 machine on labs/legacy. Seriously, what is so hard to
> understand in this frase:
>

Perhaps you should fork 9legacy and rename $objtype to aarch64.


--
Aram Hăvărneanu

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-21 17:38         ` Aram Hăvărneanu
@ 2022-05-21 18:01           ` adr
  2022-05-21 18:04             ` Aram Hăvărneanu
  2022-05-22  0:05             ` Dan Cross
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From: adr @ 2022-05-21 18:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sat, 21 May 2022, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote:

> On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 7:12 PM adr <adr@sdf.org> wrote:
>> I wasn't talking about any compiler.
>
> Choosing $objtype (and $O, etc) is the first thing someone writing
> a new Plan 9 compiler port does. These values are set in libmach.
> I suggest reading the 2c(1) manual page, as well as the Plan 9
> compiler papers which explain how the Plan 9 compiler works.

What on Earth are you talking about? The name of the architecure,
that was the subject of the two little messages I exchanged with
Charles, do you really think that when I said AArch64 I was reffering
to the name choosen for plan9 (9front?, there is no AArch64 support
in labs|9legacy) port?

> With this new information you will know what even if you didn't
> think you were talking about the compiler, you were actually talking
> about decisions made in the compiler when you were asking about
> Plan 9 on some architecture or another.
>
> It is fine if you do not agree with these decisions.

Again, what on Earth are you talking about?, A simple question, so
bloody simple and again as usual the same... you know what, just
forget it, please, everyone, just forget it.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-21 18:01           ` adr
@ 2022-05-21 18:04             ` Aram Hăvărneanu
  2022-05-22  0:05             ` Dan Cross
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From: Aram Hăvărneanu @ 2022-05-21 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

It's easy but you're complicated.

-- 
Aram Hăvărneanu

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-21 18:01           ` adr
  2022-05-21 18:04             ` Aram Hăvărneanu
@ 2022-05-22  0:05             ` Dan Cross
  2022-05-22  0:26               ` adr
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From: Dan Cross @ 2022-05-22  0:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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To answer your original question, no: there is no aarch64 support in either
9legacy or the Bell Labs distribution.

        - Dan C.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22  0:05             ` Dan Cross
@ 2022-05-22  0:26               ` adr
  2022-05-22 14:36                 ` hiro
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From: adr @ 2022-05-22  0:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sat, 21 May 2022, Dan Cross wrote:
> To answer your original question, no: there is no aarch64 support in either 9legacy or the
> Bell Labs distribution.
>
>         - Dan C.

I just ported 7c, 7l and 7a from 9front. I'm adjusting libmach,
mkfiles, etc. Porting 9front's aarch64 raspberry pi kernel can be
an oportunity to learn about the kernel design.

adr.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22  0:26               ` adr
@ 2022-05-22 14:36                 ` hiro
  2022-05-22 14:43                   ` Dan Cross
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From: hiro @ 2022-05-22 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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why not use millers Rpi kernel instead? Isn't it also including all the
important changes?


On Sunday, May 22, 2022, adr <adr@sdf.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 21 May 2022, Dan Cross wrote:
>
>> To answer your original question, no: there is no aarch64 support in
>> either 9legacy or the
>> Bell Labs distribution.
>>
>>         - Dan C.
>>
> 
> I just ported 7c, 7l and 7a from 9front. I'm adjusting libmach,
> mkfiles, etc. Porting 9front's aarch64 raspberry pi kernel can be
> an oportunity to learn about the kernel design.
> 
> adr.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22 14:36                 ` hiro
@ 2022-05-22 14:43                   ` Dan Cross
  2022-05-22 16:29                     ` hiro
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From: Dan Cross @ 2022-05-22 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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On Sun, May 22, 2022, 10:37 AM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:

> why not use millers Rpi kernel instead? Isn't it also including all the
> important changes?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Richard's kernel is 32-bit (Aarch32) only,
though with the PAE stuff enabled to access more than 4GiB of _physical_
memory. The virtual address space is still limited to 4GiB.

        - Dan C.

On Sunday, May 22, 2022, adr <adr@sdf.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 May 2022, Dan Cross wrote:
>>
>>> To answer your original question, no: there is no aarch64 support in
>>> either 9legacy or the
>>> Bell Labs distribution.
>>>
>>>         - Dan C.
>>>
>> 
>> I just ported 7c, 7l and 7a from 9front. I'm adjusting libmach,
>> mkfiles, etc. Porting 9front's aarch64 raspberry pi kernel can be
>> an oportunity to learn about the kernel design.
>> 
>> adr.
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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22 14:43                   ` Dan Cross
@ 2022-05-22 16:29                     ` hiro
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From: hiro @ 2022-05-22 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

oops, i forgot there was also 32bit :D

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-20 21:25   ` adr
  2022-05-21 16:13     ` Aram Hăvărneanu
@ 2022-05-22 18:18     ` Charles Forsyth
  2022-05-22 20:15       ` adr
  2022-05-23 14:41       ` Charles Forsyth
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From: Charles Forsyth @ 2022-05-22 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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You enquired about support for an architecture within Plan 9 on a Plan 9
list so the context was clear and I reply with the relevant architecture
string to help you locate it, but get a little lecture about Arm's naming
scheme (come to think of it, what are Thumb-1 and Thumb-2 called?). Next
time, I'll insist on the 27B/6.

On Fri, 20 May 2022, 22:27 adr, <adr@sdf.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 May 2022, Charles Forsyth wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 21:34:05 +0100
> > From: Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
> > To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
> > Subject: Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
> >
> > It's called arm64
> 
> From
> https://developer.arm.com/documentation/den0024/a/Introduction?lang=en
> 
> "AArch64 is the name used to describe the 64-bit execution state
> of the ARMv8 architecture. AArch32 describes the 32-bit execution
> state of the ARMv8 architecture, which is almost identical to ARMv7.
> GNU and Linux documentation (except for Redhat and Fedora distributions)
> sometimes refers to AArch64 as ARM64."
> 
> I would agree that you could use the therm ARM64 as a synonym of
> Aarch64, but giving me just that response... It isn't even funny.
> 
> adr.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22 18:18     ` Charles Forsyth
@ 2022-05-22 20:15       ` adr
  2022-05-22 20:33         ` Dan Cross
  2022-05-22 22:16         ` hiro
  2022-05-23 14:41       ` Charles Forsyth
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From: adr @ 2022-05-22 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Has someone done something with aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
It's called arm64

Great.

Because with this 4 magical words I was supposed to find... what?
Where? What are you talking about? Where is this work on Bell Labs'
plan9 that I could find using the string "arm64" (which of course
I knew already from 9front, the only distribution with aarch64
support)? Even in Inferno there is no aarch64 support. Where are
this people publishing aarch64 work in the labs distribution that
I could fing using "arm64"? What are you talking about?

But now after all the useful interesting contribution to the list,
as usual, you have time to even express sarcasm.

You haven't help me to find anything, you don't have to do it, of
course, but then don't talk like you have done it.

A simple question, a fucking simple question and here we go with
the trolling and the bullshit, I'm done with this fucking list.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22 20:15       ` adr
@ 2022-05-22 20:33         ` Dan Cross
  2022-05-22 22:16         ` hiro
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From: Dan Cross @ 2022-05-22 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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On Sun, May 22, 2022, 4:16 PM adr <adr@sdf.org> wrote:

> Has someone done something with aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
> It's called arm64
>
> Great.
>
> Because with this 4 magical words I was supposed to find... what?
> Where? What are you talking about? Where is this work on Bell Labs'
> plan9 that I could find using the string "arm64" (which of course
> I knew already from 9front, the only distribution with aarch64
> support)? Even in Inferno there is no aarch64 support. Where are
> this people publishing aarch64 work in the labs distribution that
> I could fing using "arm64"? What are you talking about?
>
> But now after all the useful interesting contribution to the list,
> as usual, you have time to even express sarcasm.
>
> You haven't help me to find anything, you don't have to do it, of
> course, but then don't talk like you have done it.
>

I've known and observed Charles for a very long time, indeed. I can imagine
how you interpreted what he wrote as you have, but perhaps consider that he
didn't mean what he wrote in the way you have taken it.

A simple question, a fucking simple question and here we go with
> the trolling and the bullshit, I'm done with this fucking list.
>

Probably for the best.

        - Dan C.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22 20:15       ` adr
  2022-05-22 20:33         ` Dan Cross
@ 2022-05-22 22:16         ` hiro
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From: hiro @ 2022-05-22 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Great.

indeed. thank charles and cinap for it.

> Because with this 4 magical words I was supposed to find... what?
> Where? What are you talking about?

magical words? what *are* you talking about!

> Where is this work on Bell Labs'
> plan9

Bell Labs is not working on plan9 any more.

> What are you talking about?

yes.

> You haven't help me to find anything, you don't have to do it, of
> course, but then don't talk like you have done it.

it's just that you don't like what you found. he helped by making sure
there would be a compiler.

you don't like the compiler because it has the wrong brandname
attached to it, and the wrong people are playing with it, am i right?

> A simple question, a fucking simple question and here we go with
> the trolling and the bullshit, I'm done with this fucking list.

maybe go back to playing with your new macbook? there's good customer
support for that.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22 18:18     ` Charles Forsyth
  2022-05-22 20:15       ` adr
@ 2022-05-23 14:41       ` Charles Forsyth
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Charles Forsyth @ 2022-05-23 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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I'm sorry that my original terse reply, which was well meant, stirred up a
hornet's nest.
I simply didn't know that it wasn't to be found in the two
distributions you mentioned
(I did know it was certainly in 9front).

On Sun, 22 May 2022 at 19:18, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com>
wrote:

> You enquired about support for an architecture within Plan 9 on a Plan 9
> list so the context was clear and I reply with the relevant architecture
> string to help you locate it, but get a little lecture about Arm's naming
> scheme (come to think of it, what are Thumb-1 and Thumb-2 called?). Next
> time, I'll insist on the 27B/6.
>
> On Fri, 20 May 2022, 22:27 adr, <adr@sdf.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 May 2022, Charles Forsyth wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 21:34:05 +0100
>> > From: Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com>
>> > Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
>> > To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
>> >
>> > It's called arm64
>> 
>> From
>> https://developer.arm.com/documentation/den0024/a/Introduction?lang=en
>> 
>> "AArch64 is the name used to describe the 64-bit execution state
>> of the ARMv8 architecture. AArch32 describes the 32-bit execution
>> state of the ARMv8 architecture, which is almost identical to ARMv7.
>> GNU and Linux documentation (except for Redhat and Fedora distributions)
>> sometimes refers to AArch64 as ARM64."
>> 
>> I would agree that you could use the therm ARM64 as a synonym of
>> Aarch64, but giving me just that response... It isn't even funny.
>> 
>> adr.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-23 11:18   ` adr
  2022-05-23 14:15     ` adr
@ 2022-05-23 14:37     ` hiro
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2022-05-23 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Thaddeus, you can go and plumb yourself

hahahaha

i see you stopped using these bad words.

> Trolling and bullshit, as always.

oh maybe i was wrong.

another generalization, as always.
i'm so done in those pants!

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22 23:43 adr
  2022-05-23  3:02 ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
@ 2022-05-23 14:34 ` hiro
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2022-05-23 14:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Good troll skills, but you are not dealing with a young hipster,
> I'm a middle-aged man who never have bought an overpriced piece of
> fashion-tech-crap like that in my life. And before you try another
> piece from your popular repertoire, I don't use twitter, facebook,
> instagram, &c.

did somebody propose to you yet? (the rest off-list)

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-23 14:15     ` adr
@ 2022-05-23 14:33       ` hiro
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2022-05-23 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

ah, so reverse-marketing. also appreciated :D

i'm just trying to make sure we're all having fun here.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-23 11:18   ` adr
@ 2022-05-23 14:15     ` adr
  2022-05-23 14:33       ` hiro
  2022-05-23 14:37     ` hiro
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: adr @ 2022-05-23 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Just in case somebody arrives here with interest in the subject of
the thread, here are the portable version of the plan9 compilers,
including 7*, which someone shared with me offlist.

https://bitbucket.org/plan9-from-bell-labs/9-cc/

It was really hard to type this, don't warry, I understand.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-23  3:02 ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
@ 2022-05-23 11:18   ` adr
  2022-05-23 14:15     ` adr
  2022-05-23 14:37     ` hiro
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: adr @ 2022-05-23 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sun, 22 May 2022, Thaddeus Woskowiak wrote:
> You've embarrassed yourself enough already. Please end this tantrum.

Thaddeus, you can go and plumb yourself, and you can keep your stupid
basket of arm computers. Yours was the most embarrassing "I'm just
bored and I don't have anything else to do" response of all.

More than two dozen responses, none related to the question.

Haven't you done anything with aarch64 on labs|9legacy?

You don't know anyone who has done that?

Then why are you posting to this thread?

Trolling and bullshit, as always.

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* Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
  2022-05-22 23:43 adr
@ 2022-05-23  3:02 ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
  2022-05-23 11:18   ` adr
  2022-05-23 14:34 ` hiro
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Thaddeus Woskowiak @ 2022-05-23  3:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 7:45 PM adr <adr@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> Oh man, hiro, you always running to the fun... but sometimes I
> don't know if you are smoking something good (let me know) or if
> it is that you just don't even bore to read the threads before
> jumping in anymore.
>
> I don't have any problem with the name of the port, I've used the
> pi4 port of cinap in 9front a lot. I was asking explicitly about
> labs|9legacy because that would be more easy to use in my local
> dist.
>
> I don't have any problem with the people at 9front, stop spreading
> bullshit, I'm using fossil and shrinking the system a lot (e.g. I
> got rid of ape for real), if not I would be using 9front. For me
> is just easiest (and it helps me to understand better the system) to
> import what I need or like.
>
> > maybe go back to playing with your new macbook? there's good customer
> > support for that.
>
> Good troll skills, but you are not dealing with a young hipster,
> I'm a middle-aged man who never have bought an overpriced piece of
> fashion-tech-crap like that in my life. And before you try another
> piece from your popular repertoire, I don't use twitter, facebook,
> instagram, &c.
>
> Now put yourself in my pants. A simple question. Look at the thread.
> Look at the thread!
>
>

You've embarrassed yourself enough already. Please end this tantrum.

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* [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?
@ 2022-05-22 23:43 adr
  2022-05-23  3:02 ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
  2022-05-23 14:34 ` hiro
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: adr @ 2022-05-22 23:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Oh man, hiro, you always running to the fun... but sometimes I
don't know if you are smoking something good (let me know) or if
it is that you just don't even bore to read the threads before
jumping in anymore.

I don't have any problem with the name of the port, I've used the
pi4 port of cinap in 9front a lot. I was asking explicitly about
labs|9legacy because that would be more easy to use in my local
dist.

I don't have any problem with the people at 9front, stop spreading
bullshit, I'm using fossil and shrinking the system a lot (e.g. I
got rid of ape for real), if not I would be using 9front. For me
is just easiest (and it helps me to understand better the system) to
import what I need or like.

> maybe go back to playing with your new macbook? there's good customer
> support for that.

Good troll skills, but you are not dealing with a young hipster,
I'm a middle-aged man who never have bought an overpriced piece of
fashion-tech-crap like that in my life. And before you try another
piece from your popular repertoire, I don't use twitter, facebook,
instagram, &c.

Now put yourself in my pants. A simple question. Look at the thread.
Look at the thread!

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2022-05-23 11:18   ` adr
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