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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] how to lock cpu console
Date: Wed,  1 Sep 2010 14:14:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c97bab42e8ecd634890713f8e8e88dd3@ladd.quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwDG2-x2Rn-60ghtHXsFY18wD+O2hfVXkYWtMG@mail.gmail.com>

> rio is such a minor thing to run on today's massive machines, I'm not
> sure I really see the problem in starting it on your cpu server
> anyway. I frequently set them up to launch into rio because:
> 1. It's easier to fix things when I can cat /dev/kprint in a window
> rather than have it constantly interrupting me
> 2. I like to be able to interrupt programs
> 3. It's nice to run more than one thing at once, have a graphical editor, etc.
> 4. Full-screen stats is pretty
>
> Of course, none of these reasons matter to you, since you don't run
> rio on your servers AND you don't think there's any reason to lock
> them (I agree!), I'm just pointing out that graphical lockers and rio
> in general are far from useless on a cpu server.

i'll buy that.  but i think you're missing the basic reason
that the plan 9 cpu console is so minimal.  there's no
reason to use one, unless you are doing the most basic of
system maintence.  and using one is not without risk.
for example
- you've got admin privs.  it's easy to forget any abuse this.
- an errant ^T^Tr ^P or vulcan nerve pinch reboots the
server and not your terminal.

here are some additional reasons that rio makes life
more difficult
- the serial console is now useless; no fixing or rebooting
the machine from home
- you need a kvm port or a real keyboard/video/mouse
to fiddle with the machine even locally.

for me, the loss of the serial console alone makes
running rio on a cpu server a non starter.
the serial console has saved me a good 3-4 trips into
the office this year.

- erik



  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-01 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-31 14:20 baux80
2010-08-31 14:31 ` Robert Raschke
2010-08-31 14:55 ` John Floren
2010-08-31 15:04   ` erik quanstrom
2010-08-31 15:25     ` David Leimbach
2010-08-31 15:25     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-08-31 18:18       ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-08-31 19:54         ` andrey mirtchovski
2010-08-31 20:45       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-09-01  4:21         ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-09-01  4:44           ` John Floren
2010-09-01 15:11           ` erik quanstrom
2010-09-01 16:57             ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-09-01 17:22               ` erik quanstrom
2010-09-01 17:44                 ` John Floren
2010-09-01 18:14                   ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2010-09-01 18:31                     ` John Floren
2010-09-01 18:51                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-09-01 19:41                         ` John Floren
2010-09-01 18:24                   ` frank
2010-09-01 17:56                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-09-01 10:09         ` baux80 at gmail.com
2010-09-01 10:09         ` baux80
2010-09-01  9:56     ` baux80
2010-09-01  9:56     ` baux80 at gmail.com
     [not found]     ` <E1Oqk2g-0003Ze-1W@gouda.swtch.com>
2010-09-01 19:14       ` Corey
2010-09-01 19:52         ` erik quanstrom
2010-09-01 20:23           ` Corey
2010-09-01  9:48   ` baux80 at gmail.com
2010-09-01  9:48   ` baux80
2010-08-31 14:20 baux80 at gmail.com
     [not found] <E1OqRh3-0005IS-Hi@gouda.swtch.com>
2010-08-31 14:29 ` erik quanstrom

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