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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) To: 9fans@9fans.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jacob Moody In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0f487482-100b-11ef-9dca-d372fe8b7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NOTM2Y2IyNjU0OGZhZGIwMGRiZTMw?= =?UTF-8?B?ZTVjPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M936cb26548fadb00dbe30e5c:1:OT1W45j6gnP1g50K4vxbYpVoMAh39EfLeuTG8p7096E I've gone ahead and made a repository[0] for an up to date fossil* for 9front. I didn't have to do more then clone the 4e repository, apply the 9legacy patches and type mk. Took all of 10 minutes. Testing is left as an exercise for the reader. * No warranty given or implied. [0] http://only9fans.com/moody/fossil/HEAD/info.html On 5/11/24 19:43, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > As far as I can tell, 9front doesn't have a problem > on this side; we just imported the Power64 compilers, > have working versions of risc64, etc, all pulled in > from the 9legacy world. >=20 > The work to port usually ranges between negligible > and trivial. >=20 > As far as I can tell, the only thing preventing 9front > changes from making their way back to 9legacy is a lack > of hands to do the work. >=20 > And while I'm happy to lend a hand, help debug, and even > make trivial changes to enhance portability, I personally > don't care to spend time porting software to a system I > don't intend to use. >=20 > tl;dr: you need people doing the work before you can try > to organize them; the way to get people doing the work is > to bootstrap it by doing work and showing value. >=20 > Quoth vic.thacker@fastmail.fm: >> Perhaps adopting this mindset could be beneficial. When developing a fea= ture, it's worth considering its potential for portability and usefulness t= o other communities. >> >> Vic >> >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 07:27, hiro wrote: >>> just send the code then >>> >>> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 12:22=E2=80=AFAM wrot= e: >>>> >>>> Let me explain my intent and elaborate on my point of view. I started= a new thread to enhance the signal-to-noise ratio. It's easy for a thread = to become cluttered with multiple issues, so I believe creating separate th= reads for distinct concerns helps streamline communication and keeps discus= sions focused. >>>> >>>> As a hobbyist, I see we all share a passion for Plan 9 and its develop= ment. Enhancing collaboration between communities would benefit everyone i= nvolved, and potentially enhance decorum on 9fans. I am curious to gauge w= hether there is any interest in activities that could facilitate positive t= eamwork, foster stronger connections, and break down barriers between commu= nities. >>>> >>>> Fostering discord among communities seems to only perpetuate more disc= ord. In my mind, seeking to improve collaboration between communities seem= ed, and still seems, worthwhile. >>>> >>>> As a hobbyist, I find myself pondering: What motivates individuals to = participate in 9fans if not for a genuine interest in supporting the Plan 9= community? >>>> >>>> Vic >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 01:26, hiro wrote: >>>>> congrats for teaching the bot to create more email threads with new >>>>> subjects. just what we need as a community. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:55=E2=80=AFPM Lucio De Re wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess we're on the same page, right up and including the fist figh= t(s). But I think we are all entitled to be treated more courteously in a p= ublic forum such as this, including not ascribing malice unless it is expli= cit. Being touchy has plagued this forum just about forever, it would be ni= cer if instead of calling out bad behaviour, it got the benefit of the doub= t. I accept that I was as guilty of that presumption as much as anyone who = posted after me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lucio. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 3:39=E2=80=AFPM wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I notice - correct me if I am mistaken - is that any comparis= on between 9front and 9legacy seems to needle a few members (very few, ther= e are many names from that community that have not participated, specifical= ly the ones I know hand have long respectes, ask them) of the 9front commun= ity that seem to take offence unless 9front is painted in a better light. I= guess that's permissible, but please mind your manners if you choose to go= that route, this is 9fans and 9front I believe has its own discussion grou= ps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I offer you the perspective that this happens by rule when obviousl= y wrong >>>>>>> or ridicolous claims or demands about / of 9front are made. >>>>>>> This is seen to further degrade the already quite degraded perspect= ive >>>>>>> it has within parts of the 9fans community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think it is unreasonable for people who have invested a lot= of effort >>>>>>> into 9front and believe it to be something worthwhile to feel the u= rgency to >>>>>>> defend it, or at the very least talk about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do think a bit more courtesy or less bad faith assumptions could >>>>>>> be prescribed to certain individuals, and not only on the 9front si= de. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, I propose such issues are best solved by a fist fight, ther= efore >>>>>>> acknowledging the legacy of dispute resolution methods of our ances= tors and >>>>>>> fostering a more resilient and vibrant community that thrives on bo= th change >>>>>>> and tradition. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Lucio De Re >>>>>> 2 Piet Retief St >>>>>> Kestell (Eastern Free State) >>>>>> 9860 South Africa >>>>>> >>>>>> Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 >>>>>> Cell: +27 83 251 5824 >>>>>> 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Pe= rmalink ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-M936cb= 26548fadb00dbe30e5c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription