From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:03:54 +0800 From: Michael Arnold To: <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3355509841_1096676" Subject: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 14a7e34a-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3355509841_1096676 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Booting from the CR-ROM ISO download on 28 April and get the following: PSB1... Plan 9 from Bell Labs ELCR:0E28 Clockinit...alarminit...meminit...spollo...pcimatch...kbdinit...plan9.ini probe...probing floppy...probing floppy...probing BIOS...probing BIOS...islba:drive 0X80 extensions version 48.0 cx 0x5 extgetsize:drive 0x80 info flags 0x1 bios0:drive 0x80 160,000,000,000 bytes, type 3 islba:drive 0x81 extensions version 48.0 cx 0x5 extgetsize:drive 0x80 info flags 0x1 bios 1: drive 0x81: 500,107,862,016 bytes, type 3 And all activity seems to stop with cursor blinking. Keyboard unresponsive to CTL-R. System is a dell precision 390; In BIOS, CR-ROM drive is Primary IDE Master= . As both keyboard and mouse are usb devices thought I=B9d modify plan.ini, but not sure which of the iso=B9s plan9.ini=B9s to modify: /sys/lib/dist/pc/plan9.ini? Some additional info on the hardware: - CD Rom - Philips DVD+-RW DVD8801 ATA Device - IDE Controller is an Intel 82801G (ICH7 family) Ultra ATA Storage Controllers =AD 27D7F, PCI Bus 0,IRQ: 0x0000000E (14) - IDE Controller is also an Intel 82801GR/GH SATA ACHI Controller, PCI Bus 0, IRQ: 0x00000012 (20) - USB controller is Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) - Screen card is a Nvidia Quadro NVS 285, PCI Bus location 1, IRQ: 16 (another reason to modify plan9.ini) - 2 SATA HDD, SATA0=3D160gig, SATA3=3D500,00gig (as above) - uses GRUB --B_3355509841_1096676 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure
Booting from the CR-ROM ISO download on 28 April and get the following:

PSB1...
Plan 9 from Bell Labs
ELCR:0E28
Clockinit...alarminit...meminit...spollo...pcimatch...kbdinit...plan9.ini p= robe...probing floppy...probing floppy...probing BIOS...probing BIOS...islba= :drive 0X80 extensions version 48.0 cx 0x5
extgetsize:drive 0x80 info flags 0x1
bios0:drive 0x80 160,000,000,000 bytes, type 3
islba:drive 0x81 extensions version 48.0 cx 0x5
extgetsize:drive 0x80 info flags 0x1
bios 1: drive 0x81: 500,107,862,016 bytes, type 3

And all activity seems to stop with cursor blinking.  Keyboard unrespo= nsive to CTL-R.

System is a dell precision 390; In BIOS, CR-ROM drive is Primary IDE Master= .

As both keyboard and mouse are usb devices thought I’d modify plan.in= i, but not sure which of the iso’s plan9.ini’s to modify: /sys/l= ib/dist/pc/plan9.ini?

Some additional info on the hardware:
- CD Rom - Philips DVD+-RW DVD8801 ATA Device
- IDE Controller is an Intel 82801G (ICH7 family) Ultra ATA Storage Control= lers – 27D7F, PCI Bus 0,IRQ: 0x0000000E (14)
- IDE Controller is also an Intel 82801GR/GH SATA ACHI Controller, PCI Bus = 0, IRQ: 0x00000012 (20)
- USB controller is Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family)
- Screen card is a Nvidia Quadro NVS 285, PCI Bus location 1, IRQ: 16 (anot= her reason to modify plan9.ini)
-  2 SATA HDD, SATA0=3D160gig, SATA3=3D500,00gig (as above)
- uses GRUB --B_3355509841_1096676-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:07:43 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 14ad2dc8-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Some additional info on the hardware: > - CD Rom - Philips DVD+-RW DVD8801 ATA Device > - IDE Controller is an Intel 82801G (ICH7 family) Ultra ATA Storage > Controllers ­ 27D7F, PCI Bus 0,IRQ: 0x0000000E (14) try 9atom. it works around quirks in ich7, especially with sata + pata combos. ftp://ftp.quanstro.net/other/9atom.iso.bz2 - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:18:09 -0600 To: <9fans@9fans.net>, From: "EBo" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Subject: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 14b6d3be-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I've been doing some background reading for my thesis and have been having some trouble figuring out how to cite some of the papers on IWP9, cat-v.org, etc. If people would be willing to email me BibTeX citations I would be happy to collate the collection and put it out on contrib. Thanks and best regards, EBo -- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:54:00 +0000 From: Pavel Klinkovsky Message-ID: <50e8f913-040e-456d-8e81-6db8099e8639@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 14c63ac0-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > And all activity seems to stop with cursor blinking.  Keyboard unresponsive > to CTL-R. It starts to be typical... Try Erik's 9atom.iso. ;-) Pavel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:18:24 -0600 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net>, "Pavel Klinkovsky" From: "EBo" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50e8f913-040e-456d-8e81-6db8099e8639@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 14cbe330-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Pavel Klinkovsky said: > > And all activity seems to stop with cursor blinking.  Keyboard unresponsive > > to CTL-R. > > It starts to be typical... > Try Erik's 9atom.iso. ;-) maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical source. EBo -- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:21:09 -0400 From: Jacob Todd To: ebo@sandien.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20100430152109.GB31851@zoidberg.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jho1yZJdad60DJr+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 14d42fc2-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --jho1yZJdad60DJr+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 08:18:09AM -0600, EBo wrote: >=20 > I've been doing some background reading for my thesis and have been having > some trouble figuring out how to cite some of the papers on IWP9, cat-v.o= rg, etc. What kind of trouble? Is there something missing that you need? i.e. publis= her (there usually isn't one for the papers), year, &c >=20 > If people would be willing to email me BibTeX citations I would be happy = to > collate the collection and put it out on contrib. >=20 > Thanks and best regards, >=20 > EBo -- >=20 --=20 I am a man who does not exist for others. --jho1yZJdad60DJr+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkva9WUACgkQdg8JTBUsaI5FIwCcCWzVY3Ss/fXl5v/Zky2OG+gw 7h8AnREsfTfObl7BBgd52r4DNF8N+ZuF =TERJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jho1yZJdad60DJr+-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:40:51 -0600 To: "Jacob Todd" , , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> From: "EBo" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20100430152109.GB31851@zoidberg.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> References: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 14dbe9f6-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > I've been doing some background reading for my thesis and have been having > > some trouble figuring out how to cite some of the papers on IWP9, > > cat-v.org, etc. > > What kind of trouble? Is there something missing that you need? > i.e. publisher (there usually isn't one for the papers), year, &c in addition to publisher, year, venue (for conferences), there is also page numbers, institutions... Just because the papers are published electronically does not mean that they do not or cannot have this information. Another question, is IWP9 peer reviewed? EBo -- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:08:01 -0400 To: ebo@sandien.com, 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <3673c52625f3ff1cc0cec2725f31c6d1@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 14ef4866-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > in addition to publisher, year, venue (for conferences), there is also page > numbers, institutions... Just because the papers are published electronically > does not mean that they do not or cannot have this information. i'll put the pdf of the proceedings up as soon as i get an electronic copy. thanks in advance to ian. > Another question, is IWP9 peer reviewed? yes. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <38d8a74336e5093be66a3e40e5e6c165@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:59:12 +0100 To: ebo@sandien.com, 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 151ccbba-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Search 8fans passim, there was alink to one of the US universities which had a plan9 bibtex database. If you put one on sources, can you also convert it to refer format for those of us who are still troff luddites. -Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 References: <38d8a74336e5093be66a3e40e5e6c165@quintile.net> Message-Id: <6010DF41-6AE8-4BD8-BC5B-158929320FCC@gmail.com> From: Skip Tavakkolian To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <38d8a74336e5093be66a3e40e5e6c165@quintile.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7E18) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:29:32 -0700 Cc: "9fans@9fans.net" <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1526a9be-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 A university in Utah. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:59 PM, "Steve Simon" wrote: > Search 8fans passim, there was alink to one of the US universities > which had > a plan9 bibtex database. > > If you put one on sources, can you also convert it to refer format > for those > of us who are still troff luddites. > > -Steve > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:06:52 -0400 From: Jacob Todd To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20100501010652.GA3502@zoidberg.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> References: <38d8a74336e5093be66a3e40e5e6c165@quintile.net> <6010DF41-6AE8-4BD8-BC5B-158929320FCC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6010DF41-6AE8-4BD8-BC5B-158929320FCC@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 152dce56-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/plan9.html --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkvbfqwACgkQdg8JTBUsaI5DjACfciiu6SPItb57MtxRnjUwEDPQ rSEAnjnNhF/+e53annWSPDml+0KSVJek =SBDa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:34:50 -0600 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net>, "Jacob Todd" From: "EBo" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20100501010652.GA3502@zoidberg.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> References: <38d8a74336e5093be66a3e40e5e6c165@quintile.net> <6010DF41-6AE8-4BD8-BC5B-158929320FCC@gmail.com>, <6010DF41-6AE8-4BD8-BC5B-158929320FCC@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1538cafe-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Jacob Todd said: > http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/plan9.html Thanks for the pointer. I've downloaded it and am taking a look at it now. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:38:03 -0600 To: "Steve Simon" , , <9fans@9fans.net> From: "EBo" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38d8a74336e5093be66a3e40e5e6c165@quintile.net> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1541ab60-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Steve Simon said: > Search 8fans passim, there was alink to one of the US universities which had > a plan9 bibtex database. I searched around and could not find what you were referring to. > If you put one on sources, can you also convert it to refer format for those > of us who are still troff luddites. I am willing to take a look at this, but my priority is to get an up to date collection. Do you know if there are any format converters which deal with the appropriate troff code? There might be some trick to using one of the other tools to help with this but I have not programmed in nroff/troff in probably 20 years. EBo -- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 18:20:07 +0800 From: Michael Arnold To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="EUC-KR" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1546c3e8-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Thanks erik - that works perfectly! On 30/04/10 10:07 PM, "erik quanstrom" wrote: >> Some additional info on the hardware: >> - CD Rom - Philips DVD+-RW DVD8801 ATA Device >> - IDE Controller is an Intel 82801G (ICH7 family) Ultra ATA Storage >> Controllers =A1=A9 27D7F, PCI Bus 0,IRQ: 0x0000000E (14) >=20 > try 9atom. it works around quirks in ich7, especially with > sata + pata combos. >=20 > ftp://ftp.quanstro.net/other/9atom.iso.bz2 >=20 > - erik >=20 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:46:59 +0000 From: Pavel Klinkovsky Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <50e8f913-040e-456d-8e81-6db8099e8639@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 196d8920-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical source. I fully agree. Pavel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50e8f913-040e-456d-8e81-6db8099e8639@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:23:27 +0200 Message-ID: From: hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 198970f4-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? On 5/4/10, Pavel Klinkovsky wrote: >> maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical >> source. > I fully agree. > > Pavel > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 06:16:34 -0600 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> From: "EBo" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <50e8f913-040e-456d-8e81-6db8099e8639@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> , Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19acaa1a-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > >> maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical > >> source. > > I fully agree. > > The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? and the most important question -- who's going to work on it. EBo -- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50e8f913-040e-456d-8e81-6db8099e8639@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:07:46 -0600 Message-ID: From: hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> To: ebo@sandien.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19bdd510-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 If this is true you must be quite a few steps ahead of us all. On 5/4/10, EBo wrote: > >> >> maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the >> >> canonical >> >> source. >> > I fully agree. >> >> The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? > > and the most important question -- who's going to work on it. > > EBo -- > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50e8f913-040e-456d-8e81-6db8099e8639@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:57:51 -0700 Message-ID: From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1ad78270-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:23 AM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote: > The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? > > On 5/4/10, Pavel Klinkovsky wrote: >>> maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical >>> source. >> I fully agree. >> >> Pavel The argument here is that we need to sync 9atom back to sources, and that may well be true. But there's another path: use mercurial to create a clone of http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso you can call it 9atom. You can put your changes there. Then you can use the mercurial tools to continually refresh your 9atom tree from sysfromiso. In that way, you can provide a 9atom tree that is perfectly in sync with sources, and it is easy for others to see what you have done. And, most importantly, the maintainers of the main tree can easily see what they need to see, and figure out what ought to come back to the mainline, and pull back things that make sense to pull back. There is real precedent nowadays for people to maintain forks of a kernel tree, where they can experiment, and do so in a way that makes merges back to the mainline easy. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50e8f913-040e-456d-8e81-6db8099e8639@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:02:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4054e1c3e0c0485cbdc32 Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1ade57c6-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd4054e1c3e0c0485cbdc32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:57 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:23 AM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote: > > The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? > > > > On 5/4/10, Pavel Klinkovsky wrote: > >>> maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the > canonical > >>> source. > >> I fully agree. > >> > >> Pavel > > The argument here is that we need to sync 9atom back to sources, and > that may well be true. > > But there's another path: > use mercurial to create a clone of > http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso > you can call it 9atom. > > You can put your changes there. > > Then you can use the mercurial tools to continually refresh your 9atom > tree from sysfromiso. > > In that way, you can provide a 9atom tree that is perfectly in sync > with sources, and it is easy for others to see what you have done. > And, most importantly, the maintainers of the main tree can easily see > what they need to see, and figure out what ought to come back to the > mainline, and pull back things that make sense to pull back. > > There is real precedent nowadays for people to maintain forks of a > kernel tree, where they can experiment, and do so in a way that makes > merges back to the mainline easy. > > ron > > Right, forks aren't always evil and to be avoided. In some cases they're just perfect for organized experimentation. --000e0cd4054e1c3e0c0485cbdc32 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:57 PM, ron minn= ich <rminnich@gm= ail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:23 AM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote:
> The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why?
>
> On 5/4/10, Pavel Klinkovsky <pavel.klinkovsky@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff = to the canonical
>>> source.
>> I fully agree.
>>
>> Pavel

The argument here is that we need to sync 9atom back to sources, and
that may well be true.

But there's another path:
use mercurial to create a clone of http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso=
you can call it 9atom.

You can put your changes there.

Then you can use the mercurial tools to continually refresh your 9atom
tree from sysfromiso.

In that way, you can provide a 9atom tree that is perfectly in sync
with sources, and it is easy for others to see what you have done.
And, most importantly, the maintainers of the main tree can easily see
what they need to see, and figure out what ought to come back to the
mainline, and pull back things that make sense to pull back.

There is real precedent nowadays for people to maintain forks of a
kernel tree, where they can experiment, and do so in a way that makes
merges back to the mainline easy.

ron

Right, forks aren't always evil and to be = avoided. =A0In some cases they're just perfect for organized experiment= ation.=A0

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