* [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? @ 2008-02-19 22:58 devrin talen 2008-02-19 23:11 ` Pietro Gagliardi ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: devrin talen @ 2008-02-19 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I've been interested in Plan 9 for a little while now and finally got around to setting up a virtual plan 9 installation via qemu. As someone completely new to the operating system I've been reading the man pages, getting familiar with sam and acme, randomly clicking around, etc. What would you suggest for some next (baby) steps? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-19 22:58 [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? devrin talen @ 2008-02-19 23:11 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2008-02-20 0:00 ` Martin Neubauer 2008-02-20 0:40 ` Iruata Souza 2008-02-19 23:34 ` john 2008-02-20 0:41 ` Iruata Souza 2 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-19 23:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs First off, finish learning to use rc, rio, and acme. You'll need both of them :-) If you are using QEMU, I am assuming you already use another OS. Therefore, just a bit of translation: in your OS, you say "Copy." In Plan 9, you say "Snarf." Next, to turn off Plan 9, issue the fshalt command. When it is done, turn off your computer - Plan 9 doesn't (yet) turn off itself. The -r option to fshalt reboots the system. Next, log in as user glenda or boot the Live CD and read the rio and acme tutorials from that location. Next, read the wiki (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9) for more familiarization. Next, go to http://www.troff.org/ to learn how to use troff, the word processor. troff.org is a (dead?) community-based website. Finally, check back here if you have any questions. On Feb 19, 2008, at 5:58 PM, devrin talen wrote: > I've been interested in Plan 9 for a little while now and finally got > around to setting up a virtual plan 9 installation via qemu. As > someone completely new to the operating system I've been reading the > man pages, getting familiar with sam and acme, randomly clicking > around, etc. What would you suggest for some next (baby) steps? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-19 23:11 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-20 0:00 ` Martin Neubauer 2008-02-20 0:37 ` Federico G. Benavento 2008-02-20 0:40 ` Iruata Souza 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Martin Neubauer @ 2008-02-20 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs * Pietro Gagliardi (pietro10@mac.com) wrote: > First off, finish learning to use rc, rio, and acme. You'll need both > of them :-) For large values of two, two equals three, for small values of three. Seriously, it's probobly easiest to understand how Plan 9 works and why it is the way it is by reading what you find in /sys/doc. Start with 9.ps and work yourself through the rest. A few things aren't really necessary to get started, but reading the titles and abstracts helps to sort things. The wiki is nice and contains quite a few descriptions of getting things done but provides little reasoning about design (notable exceptions are the pages on the colour scheme and the mouse vs. keyboard debate - there's really no need to carry this one back to the list.) Oh, and the man pages are great for reference. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 0:00 ` Martin Neubauer @ 2008-02-20 0:37 ` Federico G. Benavento 2008-02-20 0:50 ` john 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Federico G. Benavento @ 2008-02-20 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs hola, people tend to forget, but Plan 9 does has a wiki, with answers to most of the questions these groundhog (credit: maht) day posts. read it via acme, or: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Recommended_readings/ have fun and welcome to Plan 9! On Feb 19, 2008 9:00 PM, Martin Neubauer <m.ne@gmx.net> wrote: > * Pietro Gagliardi (pietro10@mac.com) wrote: > > First off, finish learning to use rc, rio, and acme. You'll need both > > of them :-) > > For large values of two, two equals three, for small values of three. > > Seriously, it's probobly easiest to understand how Plan 9 works and why it > is the way it is by reading what you find in /sys/doc. Start with 9.ps and > work yourself through the rest. A few things aren't really necessary to > get started, but reading the titles and abstracts helps to sort things. The > wiki is nice and contains quite a few descriptions of getting things done > but provides little reasoning about design (notable exceptions are the > pages on the colour scheme and the mouse vs. keyboard debate - there's > really no need to carry this one back to the list.) > > Oh, and the man pages are great for reference. > > -- Federico G. Benavento ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 0:37 ` Federico G. Benavento @ 2008-02-20 0:50 ` john 2008-02-20 1:06 ` Iruata Souza 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: john @ 2008-02-20 0:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > hola, > > people tend to forget, but Plan 9 does has a wiki, with answers > to most of the questions these groundhog (credit: maht) day posts. > > read it via acme, or: > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Recommended_readings/ > > have fun and welcome to Plan 9! > <snip> Maybe somebody should set up a script that looks for emails with subjects similar to "new to Plan 9", "Plan 9 newbie", etc. and sends a message with links to the wiki. I'm only half joking. John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 0:50 ` john @ 2008-02-20 1:06 ` Iruata Souza 2008-02-20 4:44 ` lucio 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Iruata Souza @ 2008-02-20 1:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Feb 19, 2008 9:50 PM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: > Maybe somebody should set up a script that looks for emails with > subjects similar to "new to Plan 9", "Plan 9 newbie", etc. and > sends a message with links to the wiki. > I'm only half joking. > > John > > first that. iru ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 1:06 ` Iruata Souza @ 2008-02-20 4:44 ` lucio 2008-02-20 4:56 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: lucio @ 2008-02-20 4:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > On Feb 19, 2008 9:50 PM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: >> Maybe somebody should set up a script that looks for emails with >> subjects similar to "new to Plan 9", "Plan 9 newbie", etc. and >> sends a message with links to the wiki. >> I'm only half joking. >> >> John >> >> > > first that. > > iru We used to have FAQs in the good old days. The Plan 9 one has been deceased a while, maybe we should distil the wiki knowledge into it for a shorter, more static document? I'm not volunteering, but if others think it's worthwhile I'll certainly be willing to assist. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 4:44 ` lucio @ 2008-02-20 4:56 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente 2008-02-20 5:10 ` Pietro Gagliardi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente @ 2008-02-20 4:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Perhaps there could be an "autoanswer" mail account... newbie@plan9.net or something... :P On Feb 20, 2008 4:44 AM, <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote: > > > On Feb 19, 2008 9:50 PM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: > >> Maybe somebody should set up a script that looks for emails with > >> subjects similar to "new to Plan 9", "Plan 9 newbie", etc. and > >> sends a message with links to the wiki. > >> I'm only half joking. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > > > > first that. > > > > iru > > We used to have FAQs in the good old days. The Plan 9 one has been > deceased a while, maybe we should distil the wiki knowledge into it > for a shorter, more static document? I'm not volunteering, but if > others think it's worthwhile I'll certainly be willing to assist. > > ++L > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 4:56 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente @ 2008-02-20 5:10 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2008-02-20 5:14 ` andrey mirtchovski ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-20 5:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:56 PM, Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente wrote: > Perhaps there could be an "autoanswer" mail account... > newbie@plan9.net or something... :P > > On Feb 20, 2008 4:44 AM, <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote: >> >>> On Feb 19, 2008 9:50 PM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: >>>> Maybe somebody should set up a script that looks for emails with >>>> subjects similar to "new to Plan 9", "Plan 9 newbie", etc. and >>>> sends a message with links to the wiki. >>>> I'm only half joking. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>> >>> first that. >>> >>> iru >> >> We used to have FAQs in the good old days. The Plan 9 one has been >> deceased a while, maybe we should distil the wiki knowledge into it >> for a shorter, more static document? I'm not volunteering, but if >> others think it's worthwhile I'll certainly be willing to assist. >> >> ++L >> >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 5:10 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-20 5:14 ` andrey mirtchovski 2008-02-20 5:47 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente 2008-02-20 6:23 ` Marc Cinq Brillant ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2008-02-20 5:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Feb 19, 2008 10:10 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: > Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan > 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," > typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. > Oh, that one's easy: the single page in that textbook will have the following text on it: "This page intentionally left blank." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 5:14 ` andrey mirtchovski @ 2008-02-20 5:47 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente @ 2008-02-20 5:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs It is a good idea indeed... First: A wiki page "Are you a newbie?" Second: A nice "Welcome newbie... Do this and that" Third: State the obvios: "Newbie... You have to read... We won't read for you" And some other indications... I can do the "intentionaly left blank page" :P On Feb 20, 2008 5:14 AM, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 19, 2008 10:10 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: > > Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan > > 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," > > typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. > > > > Oh, that one's easy: the single page in that textbook will have the > following text on it: > > "This page intentionally left blank." > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 5:10 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2008-02-20 5:14 ` andrey mirtchovski @ 2008-02-20 6:23 ` Marc Cinq Brillant 2008-02-20 7:32 ` Gorka Guardiola 2008-02-20 18:13 ` Russ Cox 3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Marc Cinq Brillant @ 2008-02-20 6:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs You more annoying than 99% of people. I save Uriel time - you fuck off! 2008/2/19, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com>: > Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan > 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," > typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. > > On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:56 PM, Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente > wrote: > > > Perhaps there could be an "autoanswer" mail account... > > newbie@plan9.net or something... :P > > > > On Feb 20, 2008 4:44 AM, <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote: > >> > >>> On Feb 19, 2008 9:50 PM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: > >>>> Maybe somebody should set up a script that looks for emails with > >>>> subjects similar to "new to Plan 9", "Plan 9 newbie", etc. and > >>>> sends a message with links to the wiki. > >>>> I'm only half joking. > >>>> > >>>> John > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> first that. > >>> > >>> iru > >> > >> We used to have FAQs in the good old days. The Plan 9 one has been > >> deceased a while, maybe we should distil the wiki knowledge into it > >> for a shorter, more static document? I'm not volunteering, but if > >> others think it's worthwhile I'll certainly be willing to assist. > >> > >> ++L > >> > >> > > -- Ce n'est pas une chanson d'amour ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 5:10 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2008-02-20 5:14 ` andrey mirtchovski 2008-02-20 6:23 ` Marc Cinq Brillant @ 2008-02-20 7:32 ` Gorka Guardiola 2008-02-20 8:20 ` Bruce Ellis 2008-02-20 18:13 ` Russ Cox 3 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Gorka Guardiola @ 2008-02-20 7:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Feb 20, 2008 6:10 AM, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: > Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan > 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," > typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. > Trouble reading, have you?. There is so many docs, including the sources that this kind of sarcasm is just demeaning yourself. For example: http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf or http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html or http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/2/thread Any trouble with troff?. I guess if you were writing docs, there may be (though you can also write them in latex or plain text, even in Plan 9). But no writing either, are we?, just whining. -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 7:32 ` Gorka Guardiola @ 2008-02-20 8:20 ` Bruce Ellis 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2008-02-20 8:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs i think gorka wants you to type ... grep whining /sys/games/lib/fortunes brucee On Feb 20, 2008 6:32 PM, Gorka Guardiola <paurea@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 20, 2008 6:10 AM, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: > > Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan > > 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," > > typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. > > > > Trouble reading, have you?. > There is so many docs, including the sources that this kind of > sarcasm is just demeaning yourself. > > For example: > http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf > or > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html > or > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/2/thread > > Any trouble with troff?. I guess if you were writing docs, there may be > (though you can also write them in latex or plain text, even in Plan 9). > But no writing either, are we?, just whining. > -- > - curiosity sKilled the cat > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 5:10 ` Pietro Gagliardi ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2008-02-20 7:32 ` Gorka Guardiola @ 2008-02-20 18:13 ` Russ Cox 2008-02-20 22:08 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2008-02-21 0:01 ` Benjamin Huntsman 3 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2008-02-20 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans unsubscribe rsc@swtch.com > Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan > 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," > typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 18:13 ` Russ Cox @ 2008-02-20 22:08 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2008-02-21 0:08 ` hiro 2008-02-21 0:01 ` Benjamin Huntsman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-20 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Okay, not the reaction I expected, and not one of my better ideas. Time to walk away and go improve pico... On Feb 20, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Russ Cox wrote: > unsubscribe rsc@swtch.com > >> Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan >> 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," >> typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 22:08 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-21 0:08 ` hiro 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: hiro @ 2008-02-21 0:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs It's not just about being new to Plan 9. Plan 9 in a way has been new to the world itself all the time, even though it's last centurie's technology. And sometimes it feels just pointless to go this - sane - way. But if you earnestly chose your path and have come this far, don't make no compromises now. Stick to the few things you know for sure, and you will spot a lot more of this wisdom soon. It's a lot of work, because you have to think for yourself. If you want more examples look at the source code, cause you won't find much tutorial-like documentation here. You will only find freedom, and endless possibilites. Working with Plan 9 won't give you all these big problems you probably know from "modern" operating systems, which all force you spending most of your time solving them. That's why you rather don't even know where to start, or what to do next. It's all the great possibilities and flexibility. Plan9 is an operating system where thinking is supported natively! This is at least what i think i learned about plan9 in the last months. It has ever since since awkwardly amazed me. I'm glad there are other newcomers, climbing out of that pit of darkness. This is a way which is otherwise lonely and exhausting, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 18:13 ` Russ Cox 2008-02-20 22:08 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-21 0:01 ` Benjamin Huntsman 2008-02-21 3:09 ` Bruce Ellis 2008-02-21 4:44 ` lucio 1 sibling, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Benjamin Huntsman @ 2008-02-21 0:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 516 bytes --] >unsubscribe rsc@swtch.com Did Russ just bail?? -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-bounces+bhuntsman=mail2.cu-portland.edu@cse.psu.edu on behalf of Russ Cox Sent: Wed 2/20/2008 10:13 AM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? unsubscribe rsc@swtch.com > Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan > 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," > typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. [-- Attachment #2: winmail.dat --] [-- Type: application/ms-tnef, Size: 2778 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-21 0:01 ` Benjamin Huntsman @ 2008-02-21 3:09 ` Bruce Ellis 2008-02-21 4:44 ` lucio 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2008-02-21 3:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs at least 99% of him. On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Benjamin Huntsman <BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu> wrote: > >unsubscribe rsc@swtch.com > > > Did Russ just bail?? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 9fans-bounces+bhuntsman=mail2.cu-portland.edu@cse.psu.edu on behalf of Russ Cox > Sent: Wed 2/20/2008 10:13 AM > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? > > unsubscribe rsc@swtch.com > > > Or perhaps someone should write a book aimed at newbies on using Plan > > 9 from Bell Labs. It would be called "Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs," > > typeset in troff, and not go into technical details. > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-21 0:01 ` Benjamin Huntsman 2008-02-21 3:09 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2008-02-21 4:44 ` lucio 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: lucio @ 2008-02-21 4:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >>unsubscribe rsc@swtch.com > > > Did Russ just bail?? That would be sad, to put it mildly. Some new arrivals on Plan 9 seem unshakable, some eventually figure out this is not the right playground and move along. I'd rather lose a thousand new arrivals than a single developer. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-19 23:11 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2008-02-20 0:00 ` Martin Neubauer @ 2008-02-20 0:40 ` Iruata Souza 2008-02-20 0:48 ` devrin talen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Iruata Souza @ 2008-02-20 0:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Feb 19, 2008 8:11 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: > First off, finish learning to use rc, rio, and acme. You'll need both > of them :-) > have you finished it already? iru ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 0:40 ` Iruata Souza @ 2008-02-20 0:48 ` devrin talen 2008-02-20 4:28 ` Iruata Souza 2008-02-20 9:39 ` Kernel Panic 0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: devrin talen @ 2008-02-20 0:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Feb 19, 2008 7:40 PM, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote: > have you finished it [rc, rio, acme] already? I've learned what the intro tutorials offered. I still feel like there's a lot to learn! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 0:48 ` devrin talen @ 2008-02-20 4:28 ` Iruata Souza 2008-02-20 9:39 ` Kernel Panic 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Iruata Souza @ 2008-02-20 4:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Feb 19, 2008 9:48 PM, devrin talen <jackfrost13@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 19, 2008 7:40 PM, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote: > > have you finished it [rc, rio, acme] already? > > I've learned what the intro tutorials offered. I still feel like > there's a lot to learn! > my answer was to pietro, davrin. there's always something to learn, but not everyone thinks that way. fortunately you do. iru ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 0:48 ` devrin talen 2008-02-20 4:28 ` Iruata Souza @ 2008-02-20 9:39 ` Kernel Panic 2008-02-20 13:29 ` Pietro Gagliardi 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Kernel Panic @ 2008-02-20 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs devrin talen wrote: >On Feb 19, 2008 7:40 PM, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>have you finished it [rc, rio, acme] already? >> >> > >I've learned what the intro tutorials offered. I still feel like >there's a lot to learn! > > i would suggest you just to play arround and have fun... :-) all that reading is for nothing if you dont USE it... what you play depends on what you are interested in... for me, one of the most interesting things about plan9 is the development enviroment... so maybe start some hacking... find something that *YOU* actually need and is missing on plan9 and program it yourself. (by stealing from similar code of course ;-)) good luck! cinap ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 9:39 ` Kernel Panic @ 2008-02-20 13:29 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2008-02-20 15:38 ` Iruata Souza 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-20 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Most of /sys/doc is technical and programmer-friendly. I was thinking something more like the Lomutos' "A UNIX Primer." On Feb 20, 2008, at 4:39 AM, Kernel Panic wrote: > devrin talen wrote: > >> On Feb 19, 2008 7:40 PM, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> have you finished it [rc, rio, acme] already? >>> >> >> I've learned what the intro tutorials offered. I still feel like >> there's a lot to learn! >> > i would suggest you just to play arround and have fun... :-) all > that reading is > for nothing if you dont USE it... > > what you play depends on what you are interested in... > > for me, one of the most interesting things about plan9 is the > development enviroment... > so maybe start some hacking... find something that *YOU* actually > need and is > missing on plan9 and program it yourself. (by stealing from similar > code of course ;-)) > > good luck! > > cinap > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-20 13:29 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-20 15:38 ` Iruata Souza 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Iruata Souza @ 2008-02-20 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Feb 20, 2008 10:29 AM, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: > I was thinking have you ever considered quitting that business? iru ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-19 22:58 [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? devrin talen 2008-02-19 23:11 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2008-02-19 23:34 ` john 2008-02-20 0:41 ` Iruata Souza 2 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: john @ 2008-02-19 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > I've been interested in Plan 9 for a little while now and finally got > around to setting up a virtual plan 9 installation via qemu. As > someone completely new to the operating system I've been reading the > man pages, getting familiar with sam and acme, randomly clicking > around, etc. What would you suggest for some next (baby) steps? 1) Get familiar with mouse chording ASAP. It's great. If you don't have a true 3-button mouse, go get one right now. 2) Read as much of /sys/doc as you can handle. They're good papers and will help you understand the system better. Start with 9.ps and 9.intro.pdf 3) Get a spare box/clone your qemu install and set up a cpu/auth/file server. You won't get the "real" Plan 9 experience until you have at least a cpu/auth/file server and a terminal; then, a lot more things will make sense. 4) Use Google Groups to search comp.os.plan9 (I find their search works pretty well) before you ask a question here--it may have already been answered. 5) Have fun, and illegitimi non carborundum :) John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? 2008-02-19 22:58 [9fans] New to plan 9: what next? devrin talen 2008-02-19 23:11 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2008-02-19 23:34 ` john @ 2008-02-20 0:41 ` Iruata Souza 2 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Iruata Souza @ 2008-02-20 0:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Feb 19, 2008 7:58 PM, devrin talen <jackfrost13@gmail.com> wrote: > I've been interested in Plan 9 for a little while now and finally got > around to setting up a virtual plan 9 installation via qemu. As > someone completely new to the operating system I've been reading the > man pages, getting familiar with sam and acme, randomly clicking > around, etc. What would you suggest for some next (baby) steps? > http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf good reading. iru ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
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