From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201003291821.54838.corey@bitworthy.net> References: <138575261003230627kb81c42q7710df1af4283919@mail.gmail.com> <201003291720.32633.corey@bitworthy.net> <93b909d2c8147deb5026860ed6cf0c5b@ladd.quanstro.net> <201003291821.54838.corey@bitworthy.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:02:23 -0300 Message-ID: From: Iruata Souza To: corey@bitworthy.net, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install) Topicbox-Message-UUID: f82b3a5a-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Corey wrote: > On Monday 29 March 2010 17:24:08 erik quanstrom wrote: >> > In any given social environment, communicating dissatisfaction of >> > the status quo is often the logical first step towards choices (a) >> > and/or (b) - due to the fact that going off on one's own to work >> > alone in a vacuum on a major undertaking is generally recognized >> > as an inherently ill-fated strategy. >> >> except that these same arguments have been going on for as long >> as i have read this list and no one has done anything about it. >> after 15+ years, i think it's fair to ask "where's the beef?" >> > > "Where's the beef?" is certainly a fair and reasonable thing to ask. > > What I'm wondering, however, is "_what's_ the beef?" > > As you said, these arguments have indeed been going on for some > time - so, why only talk and no action? It's weird. > > I can't help but wonder: where's the crux of the inertia? > > Are the core Plan 9 design concepts in fact ineffective or unsuitable for > building a general purpose computing environment? > > I find that very hard to believe - but there's over 15 years of evidence > which seems to imply just that. > > No one's willing to spearhead a "General Purpose 9" experiment, and no > one's interested in collaborating on and contributing to such a project? would you invite us for that experiment or keep talking, talking, talking... and talking? > "If you want [general purpose], you know where to get it." seems to > be the period that ends all such discussion. > a bunch of special purpose crap put together does not make a general purpose one. iru