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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: c91357ac-10be-11ef-9da7-9836018c7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NMGVlOTcwMDUxYjcwMDQwYjhkYWVl?= =?UTF-8?B?M2E1Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M0ee970051b70040b8daee3a5:1:OhkhAeBJmzhGQgsPoICy5ykTg9APpQ9M14ndq6vqKzg The complexity of communication in this medium often necessitates detailed = discussions. You highlighted the need for additional personnel to manage t= he workload (e.g. do the work). From my perspective, this requires a well-= defined vision, clear objectives, and a prioritized list of deliverables to= align efforts effectively. Currently, it seems the role of product manage= rs is collectively held, though it's unclear who exactly is responsible. T= ypically, a team of two or more individuals would focus on these deliverabl= es. In past projects, I've seen the use of a project board to keep everyon= e updated on tasks=E2=80=94an approach known as "information radiator" in p= roject management. I'm open to other methods if you had something differen= t in mind that I may have overlooked. If you are considering a meritocracy= , I would recommend caution. Experience has shown that what we truly need = is increased collaboration and unity, rather than a system that could poten= tially encourage competition and division. I apologize if my message is ob= tuse, I am trying to keep this message concise, I can expound more for clar= ity. I hope my explanation helps.=20 Vic On Mon, May 13, 2024, at 03:36, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > that's not what I said. > > Quoth vic.thacker@fastmail.fm: >> I agree that having a clear vision and charter is essential before formi= ng a team. Regarding building an inclusive Plan 9 community that encompasse= s multiple groups, it's important to establish common goals and values that= resonate with all members. What are your thoughts on creating open channel= s for dialogue and collaboration? How can we ensure that everyone feels val= ued and heard? This approach could foster a more cooperative and inclusive = environment. >>=20 >> Vic >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 16:19, plan6@room3420.net wrote: >> > "tl;dr: you need people doing the work before you can try >> > to organize them; the way to get people doing the work is >> > to bootstrap it by doing work and showing value." 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