From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 5437 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2021 07:30:02 -0000 Received: from tb-ob0.topicbox.com (64.147.108.117) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Mar 2021 07:30:02 -0000 Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (tb-mx0.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.73]) by tb-ob0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4274C34F28 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 03:29:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bounce.mM59877f300afd36c14ad0ab08.r522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa@9fans.bounce.topicbox.com) Received: by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix, from userid 1132) id 45D5F1D28C51; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 03:29:31 -0400 (EDT) ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; topicbox.com; arc=pass; dkim=none (no signatures found); dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=sirjofri.de; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de smtp.helo=oat.nine.sirjofri.de; x-internal-arc=fail (as.1.topicbox.com=pass, ams.1.topicbox.com=fail (message has been altered)) (Message modified while forwarding at Topicbox) ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= topicbox.com; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :list-help:list-id:list-post:list-subscribe:reply-to :list-unsubscribe; s=sysmsg-1; t=1616916571; bh=nwF4m4RW+bW1ZNly l9dI47NJMgZsjSoJICJO33pnmR0=; b=BfSFzk6X6HTsTK4PyxwanmicYggaj9QJ 1CNrQE3wT17TFc1wR1EiQkbqDN9F+b+LXD8e7fle2mCMho9lBA051voXqUvDzI71 Sl4dilwJfwW8DlUay+f+wKtJvi/0kCRXHljBw8PqyEARQEKp4V8RVGwmAEALTRLz BzmJrxX2VUc= ARC-Seal: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; cv=pass; d=topicbox.com; s=sysmsg-1; t= 1616916571; b=LoWZiqqhzyeCO0CnpgVPaNfZ5kCFpvugFDqA4bD+JGzwLHAw/i k3K0uip0WKRJsKev1ymW1OnWrd66C11JRYULGN/yniHqxXrVEwi5KiCGvZunM4Rh TT7ZDOOkeOLW2loWzZ1XQTSOYnjBOuwuNg+t+XC+PWXa4FYU/APxV0hqc= Authentication-Results: topicbox.com; arc=pass; dkim=none (no signatures found); dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=sirjofri.de; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de smtp.helo=oat.nine.sirjofri.de; x-internal-arc=fail (as.1.topicbox.com=pass, ams.1.topicbox.com=fail (message has been altered)) (Message modified while forwarding at Topicbox) X-Received-Authentication-Results: tb-mx0.topicbox.com; arc=none (no signatures found); bimi=skipped (DMARC Policy is not at enforcement); dkim=none (no signatures found); dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=sirjofri.de; iprev=pass smtp.remote-ip=5.45.105.127 (oat.nine.sirjofri.de); spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de smtp.helo=oat.nine.sirjofri.de; x-aligned-from=pass (Address match); x-me-sender=none; x-ptr=pass smtp.helo=oat.nine.sirjofri.de policy.ptr=oat.nine.sirjofri.de; x-return-mx=pass header.domain=sirjofri.de policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: oat.nine.sirjofri.de); x-return-mx=pass smtp.domain=sirjofri.de policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: oat.nine.sirjofri.de); x-tls=pass smtp.version=TLSv1.2 smtp.cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA smtp.bits=256/256; x-vs=clean score=0 state=0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=9fans.net; h=date:from :to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-help:list-id :list-post:list-subscribe:reply-to:list-unsubscribe; s=dkim-1; bh=nwF4m4RW+bW1ZNlyl9dI47NJMgZsjSoJICJO33pnmR0=; b=XSs+D+Pi5GHA aIAOrcOyR1/a4bZXpda95rlCT/ArxKKxHDSVfB3X8ik9h+zFJuZxfmbJl5t011g4 Hgl162zSpaJDDJ/6SQr/iIyu8UtHYx2mxNRL/nGwJ36Kt+PD/k+fObkSPuP6qW+u lma8mOZk67v0P0cfVjlaC0RV5EXIUKA= Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (localhost.local [127.0.0.1]) by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1A61D287BF for <9fans@9fans.net>; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 03:29:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de) Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Authentication Milter) with ESMTP id 2280ABDB020; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 03:29:16 -0400 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; d=topicbox.com; s=arcseal; t= 1616916556; b=vsxTcMkAPbLrOSyJVOjTtMYQ1xyb6UuIy8+d0fxWHBvJJQKxJV wnCpk2k+pak96iDZltyCR053/3Fw2lJ43AukKOjrdDPNYcouirZvrYrS5GlMyuZ6 qhr6ghtCzDPcdXaWUQDSARKBv2YteGzOE7pT00I8g/nwVowwOXHrqKdWK/us7WLW eEotWkyGGUYBEm7Po3gmSZnOpmXVHhd235RYwgSBX23cWnEOC8ZvPYkYYQ0JM67I vr/9QNzV01rJcvot4c+HjEklkruMxYxX8uT4MLAMSEni2ff4GWZuU6f6HeRoJQYx hASbJzknlJRgYwbTwQ9jUp/XT804Q9GtT3+w== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= topicbox.com; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= arcseal; t=1616916556; bh=epI1pgCMY7N5gU6jVwGPXAEjP7P69jjkweT4ty /62PA=; b=v5n2J+vl7GPyRedK+LPRZcS2HuV8FgMEUNPmuwRlUNNaqSqVaFLY8V 709QkggBsympRRuXX+lapV11uKgljrIrv8pErfHR1nR+hHnIHjqpd/U0Y6dWp7pY 0VjpoWWAOLYz4tjosfdsUbgo0w6Df9A9LVksF888EPDOPpzdlchtlhvjTmim8ySB E04GYydFXVipeOEMaSGlHNTRntEcwHfd2FynAp2VhFjXczR/IqjAx44AE6OAWgUy iS4X5WD2zsJyM+VUoSVTfnoC/kFVj4CLHhZqBBhhXAG+B2JOOj55pj4k0y2sc3SM pnSQKpt6uxGi7Ht9yznHhmOWKKn60A5g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; tb-mx0.topicbox.com; arc=none (no signatures found); bimi=skipped (DMARC Policy is not at enforcement); dkim=none (no signatures found); dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=sirjofri.de; iprev=pass smtp.remote-ip=5.45.105.127 (oat.nine.sirjofri.de); spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de smtp.helo=oat.nine.sirjofri.de; x-aligned-from=pass (Address match); x-me-sender=none; x-ptr=pass smtp.helo=oat.nine.sirjofri.de policy.ptr=oat.nine.sirjofri.de; x-return-mx=pass header.domain=sirjofri.de policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: oat.nine.sirjofri.de); x-return-mx=pass smtp.domain=sirjofri.de policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: oat.nine.sirjofri.de); x-tls=pass smtp.version=TLSv1.2 smtp.cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA smtp.bits=256/256; x-vs=clean score=0 state=0 X-ME-VSCause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrudehgedgudeigeculddtuddrgeduhedrtd dtmdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpggft fghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftd dtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffkjghfufggtgfgsehtqhertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpehs ihhrjhhofhhrihcuoehsihhrjhhofhhrihdomhhlqdelfhgrnhhssehsihhrjhhofhhrih druggvqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeegveevffeufffgfeeuieehkeevveettdfhhedv hfelvddtfeeuledvfeetffdtteenucffohhmrghinhepohhsuggvvhdrohhrghenucfkph ephedrgeehrddutdehrdduvdejpddukeekrddutdefrdeggedrudeggeenucevlhhushht vghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeehrdeghedruddthedruddvjedphh gvlhhopehorghtrdhnihhnvgdrshhirhhjohhfrhhirdguvgdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeo shhirhhjohhfrhhiodhmlhdqlehfrghnshesshhirhhjohhfrhhirdguvgeq X-ME-VSScore: 0 X-ME-VSCategory: clean Received-SPF: pass (sirjofri.de: 5.45.105.127 is authorized to use 'sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'mx' matched)) receiver=tb-mx0.topicbox.com; identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de"; helo=oat.nine.sirjofri.de; client-ip=5.45.105.127 Received: from oat.nine.sirjofri.de (oat.nine.sirjofri.de [5.45.105.127]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for <9fans@9fans.net>; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 03:29:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de) Received: from sirjofri.de ([188.103.44.144]) by oat; Sun Mar 28 09:28:57 +0200 2021 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:28:56 +0000 (UTC) From: sirjofri To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <3d3c5a988a6ab1b435f125ea497c8e68@hamnavoe.com> <16167375750.B3AccAceb.67283@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <16167452180.55D3bd2.6869@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <16167477960.a0e28.500018@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Correlation-ID: Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4fedbe36-8f97-11eb-883f-83d58839a91f Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNGE1NGQxN2U0YzBmNmMyMC1NNTk4NzdmMzAwYWZkMzZjMTRhZDBh?= =?UTF-8?B?YjA4Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M59877f300afd36c14ad0ab08:1:W_dz5lu0up_k6O9SHnVj5VDs4A00BkhDRKxuPafIwqI 28.03.2021 00:14:51 Ethan Gardener : > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Wes Kussmaul wrote: >> >> On 3/26/21 12:18 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 09:20:44AM -0400, Wes Kussmaul wrote: >>>> The replacement of legacy BIOS with UEFI had two consequences: >>>> >>>> =C2=A0 1. Dual booting is not possible >>> >>> This is false.=C2=A0 Dual-booting works just fine with UEFI; tools like >>> efibootmgr make it trivial and I do it all the time.=C2=A0 It's much ni= cer >>> than having to work with grub. >> >> Then perhaps it wasn't just UEFI but something else in the system. I >> recall trying to disable Secure Boot with no effect. >> >> If I still had the laptop I would certainly try efibootmgr but as I=20 >> said >> I sent it back. >> >> At any rate Lenovo had an incentive to make it work (preventing a >> return/refund) and told me it couldn't be done. > > There are broken UEFI implementations just like there were broken BIOS=20 > implementations in the 90s. > > https://wiki.osdev.org/Broken_UEFI_implementations > > It's certainly not a complete list. Lenovo appears twice, although one=20 > of the problems is just a boot logo thing. At least they're not Acer. I remember back in the days when I bought my lenovo laptop in 2014=20 something. UEFI was still new to me, and it was my first UEFI product. I=20 bombarded lenovo with questions about the UEFI and secure boot since I=20 wanted to install linux on it. They responded with a proper answer and a=20 link. The link led to an online/web bios interface simulation where you could=20 click around the firmware settings. It was model specific, so I suppose=20 the same exists for their other products. On the same page were instructions about replacing parts and more, it was=20 a page for support people and lenovo partners. sirjofri ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4a54d17e4c0f6c20-M59877= f300afd36c14ad0ab08 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription