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From: dexen deVries <dexen.devries@gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:12:18 +0200
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Seems a well-meaning developer sort of re-invented Acme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbUR_eUVcABg

--=20
dexen deVries

[[[=E2=86=93][=E2=86=92]]]

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e to write=20
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Probably never heard of Acme.

On 14 September 2012 14:12, dexen deVries <dexen.devries@gmail.com> wrote:

> Seems a well-meaning developer sort of re-invented Acme
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbUR_eUVcABg
>
> --
> dexen deVries
>
> [[[=E2=86=93][=E2=86=92]]]
>
> I'm sorry that this was such a long lett=C2=ADer, but I didn't have time =
to
> write
> you a short one. -- Bla=C2=ADise Pasc=C2=ADal
>
>

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<div>Probably never heard of Acme.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 14 =
September 2012 14:12, dexen deVries <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:dexen.devries@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dexen.devries@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Seems a well-meaning developer sort of re-in=
vented Acme<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbUR_eUVcABg" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbUR_eUVcABg</a><br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
dexen deVries<br>
<br>
[[[=E2=86=93][=E2=86=92]]]<br>
<br>
I&#39;m sorry that this was such a long lett=C2=ADer, but I didn&#39;t have=
 time to write<br>
you a short one. -- Bla=C2=ADise Pasc=C2=ADal<br>
<br>
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:07:06 +0200
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> Probably never heard of Acme.

The demo looks impressive, though.  I didn't follow it very well, it
was way too fast and full of references to concepts that evidently
haven't reached my corner of Dark Africa yet :-)

Still, Oberon had all that a long time ago, if memory isn't betraying
me.

++L




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Probably never heard of Oberon either.

On 14 September 2012 15:07, Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote:

> Still, Oberon had all that a long time ago, if memory isn't betraying
> me.
>

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Probably never heard of Oberon either.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 September 2012 15:07, Lucio De Re <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lucio@proxima.alt.za" target="_blank">lucio@proxima.alt.za</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=":123">Still, Oberon had all that a long time ago, if memory isn&#39;t betraying<br>
me.</div></blockquote></div><br>

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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
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On Fri Sep 14 10:12:24 EDT 2012, charles.forsyth@gmail.com wrote:

> Probably never heard of Oberon either.

neither is knowledge of oberon ubiquitous among 9fans, who may
not realize that acme itself is a copy.

- erik



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I knew it because I read the paper :-)

2012/9/14 erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>:
> On Fri Sep 14 10:12:24 EDT 2012, charles.forsyth@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Probably never heard of Oberon either.
>
> neither is knowledge of oberon ubiquitous among 9fans, who may
> not realize that acme itself is a copy.
>
> - erik
>



--
Hugo



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"Copy" is a little strong: inspired by, certainly, by way of help/help,
but there's an amazing difference in the structure of acme as "text editor
as file server"
with many independent clients accessing it through the file system.
Oberon had a more conventional module "plug-in" structure within a single
process.
Acme's user interface is also more strictly text-oriented, and streamlined
the mouse conventions.

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> neither is knowledge of oberon ubiquitous among 9fans, who may
> not realize that acme itself is a copy.
>

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&quot;Copy&quot; is a little strong: inspired by, certainly, by way of help=
/help,<div>but there&#39;s an amazing difference in the structure of acme a=
s &quot;text editor as file server&quot;</div><div>with many independent cl=
ients accessing it through the file system.</div>
<div>Oberon had a more conventional module &quot;plug-in&quot; structure wi=
thin a single process.</div><div>Acme&#39;s user interface is also more str=
ictly text-oriented, and streamlined the mouse conventions.</div><div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 14 September 2012 15:19, erik quanstrom <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:quanstro@quanstro.net" target=3D"_blank"=
>quanstro@quanstro.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">
<div id=3D":4ga">neither is knowledge of oberon ubiquitous among 9fans, who=
 may<br>
not realize that acme itself is a copy.</div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant.

-Jack



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From: Anssi Porttikivi <porttikivi@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:00:13 +0300
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Note that Oberon the OS was a stated influence of Ron Pike et. al. Even in G=
o, type embedding and resistance to class hierarchies relates back to Oberon=
, the language.=20



Jack Johnson <knapjack@gmail.com> wrote 14.9.2012 kello 19.48:

> Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and eleg=
ant.
>=20
> -Jack
>=20



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From: Anssi Porttikivi <porttikivi@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:02:05 +0300
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Typos by iPhone. Forgive me, Rob.=20

t. Anssi

Anssi Porttikivi <porttikivi@gmail.com> kirjoitti 14.9.2012 kello 23.00:

> Note that Oberon the OS was a stated influence of Ron Pike et. al. Even in=
 Go, type embedding and resistance to class hierarchies relates back to Ober=
on, the language.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Jack Johnson <knapjack@gmail.com> wrote 14.9.2012 kello 19.48:
>=20
>> Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and ele=
gant.
>>=20
>> -Jack
>>=20



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Speak of the devil....

"Good artists copy, great artists steal."

-Pablo Picasso^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSteven
Jobs^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSamsung Ltd.(?)

This message: -some blogger^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HNick LaForge

Typos by me.  Sent from my meEgo (alphabet button invention included).
 (Don't) forgive me, Elop.

On 9/14/12, Anssi Porttikivi <porttikivi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Typos by iPhone. Forgive me, Rob.
>
> t. Anssi
>
> Anssi Porttikivi <porttikivi@gmail.com> kirjoitti 14.9.2012 kello 23.00:
>
>> Note that Oberon the OS was a stated influence of Ron Pike et. al. Even in
>> Go, type embedding and resistance to class hierarchies relates back to
>> Oberon, the language.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Johnson <knapjack@gmail.com> wrote 14.9.2012 kello 19.48:
>>
>>> Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and
>>> elegant.
>>>
>>> -Jack
>>>
>
>



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forgive me, mother, for reading this mailinglist.



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On Sep 14, 2012 7:16 PM, "hiro" <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
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> forgive me, mother, for reading this mailinglist.
>
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<p><br>
On Sep 14, 2012 7:16 PM, &quot;hiro&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:23hiro@gmail.com">23hiro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; forgive me, mother, for reading this mailinglist.<br>
&gt;<br>
I feel as though our mothers have already abandoned us for this list.</p>

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> Probably never heard of Acme.

Great, the idea must be good then.

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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:19 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:

> neither is knowledge of oberon ubiquitous among 9fans, who may
> not realize that acme itself is a copy.

Isn't even that a derivation of the window system from PARC?  Oak I believe?

Ian



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And this just in:

http://research.swtch.com/acme?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hnycombinator+%28HN+-+hnycombinator%29

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And this just in:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://research.swtch.com/a=
cme?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dtwitter&amp;utm_campaign=3DFee=
d%3A+hnycombinator+%28HN+-+hnycombinator%29">http://research.swtch.com/acme=
?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dtwitter&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3=
A+hnycombinator+%28HN+-+hnycombinator%29</a><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div></div>

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And a cleaner link to that: http://research.swtch.com/acme

On 17 September 2012 19:24, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com>wrote:

> And this just in:
> ...
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And a cleaner link to that:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://research.swtch.com/acme"=
>http://research.swtch.com/acme</a><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17=
 September 2012 19:24, Charles Forsyth <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:charles.forsyth@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">charles.forsyth@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">And this just in:<div>...</div></blockquote>=
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Oh, god, this is what we have longed for almost 20 years. I always thought I=
 should do this kind of video. Thank you Russ!

t. Anssi

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> And this just in:
> ...

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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Oh, god, this is what we have longed for almost 20 years. I always thought I should do this kind of video. Thank you Russ!<br><br>t. Anssi</div><div><br>Charles Forsyth &lt;<a href="mailto:charles.forsyth@gmail.com">charles.forsyth@gmail.com</a>&gt; kirjoitti 17.9.2012 kello 21.26:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>And a cleaner link to that:&nbsp;<a href="http://research.swtch.com/acme">http://research.swtch.com/acme</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 September 2012 19:24, Charles Forsyth <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:charles.forsyth@gmail.com" target="_blank">charles.forsyth@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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Ah. Cedar.
http://research.swtch.com/acme.pdf

Ian



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On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:48:40 -0800
Jack Johnson <knapjack@gmail.com> wrote:

> Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant.
>
> -Jack
>

It's still around in AOS form where it can run native or as a
user-space program under other OSs. I used it to try out someone else's
work and didn't really find the UI very elegant. In particular I
couldn't copy text from the compiler error window, which I thought was
desperately bad. Anyway, apart from that it worked; middle-clicking to
compile and to launch the program was ok, and the OpenGL program I was
trying out ran very smoothly.

The only link I seem to have kept is http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/

--
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis
<eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:48:40 -0800 Jack Johnson <knapjack@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant.
>
> It's still around in AOS form where it can run native or as a
> user-space program under other OSs. I used it to try out someone else's
> work and didn't really find the UI very elegant. In particular I
> couldn't copy text from the compiler error window, which I thought was
> desperately bad. Anyway, apart from that it worked; middle-clicking to
> compile and to launch the program was ok, and the OpenGL program I was
> trying out ran very smoothly.
>
> The only link I seem to have kept is http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/

Hindsight is always 20/20.

When I first used Oberon 20 years ago, it had this amazing liberating
feeling to it; a graphical demonstration of sorting algorithms?
Brilliant!  (I was in high school.  Our "Computer Science" class was
taught using Turbo Pascal on IBM PCs; the textbook had a picture of an
IBM 4381 on the cover.  Luckily, I managed to persuade the system
administrators at the local university into giving me accounts on most
of the major systems so I could use C, Unix and VMS.)

My point is that it's so easy to forget that these sorts of statements
about the power, simplicity and elegance of things past carry with
them a context that is usually not explicitly articulated.  If you
came to Oberon from some primitive computing environment (like, say,
PCs or something) then it was indeed fun and amazingly elegant.  That
said, I wouldn't want to go back to running it on a SPARCstation 1
with 16 megs of RAM, a 200MB disk, and a 17 inch black and white CRT.
It's easy to look back and say to oneself, "wow, that wasn't as cool
as I remembered it being..." but that doesn't change that, at the
time, it *was* that cool because of the context.

        - Dan C.