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From: "Robert Sherwood" <robert.sherwood@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno
Date: Wed,  7 Mar 2007 13:41:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d846ee8c0703071041y41a5ec89mcf32b51270eacd0d@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14ec7b180703070943o426a641du73f3c6e550b403c9@mail.gmail.com>

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Hi, sympathetic outsider reporting here:

For me personally, as a member of the volunteer focus group, the reasons
that plan 9 is such a pain are the same reasons I'm drawn to it:


   1. Plan 9 is a network OS. The downside is that a single, disconnected
   plan 9 workstation is a pain in the ass to use, and is crippled by design (I
   think). Unfortunately, very few of the kind of tinkerers who would enjoy it
   have enough spare hardware to build something that really shows off the
   strengths of the system. I think the xen port work is the best fix for this,
   since it allows me to build a network using a minimal hardware footprint (I
   haven't tried).
   2. The interfaces are baffling.  As Master Shake said, "It's too
   advanced to be compatible". Not just rio; I mean adding a user to a system,
   logging in under a different account by rebooting, mounting devices as
   filesystems, making configuration changes, everything is different. I don't
   think anything makes sense until you understand the entire system, top to
   bottom. It's a difficult investment to make. I appreciate that this is not
   your problem.

I think that I understand the picture that the forefathers had in mind when
developing the system, it's just that it's very difficult to implement an
infrastructure that shows the benefits of the plan 9 approach. And when you
finally do, It's not clear that you've got something better, because there's
nothing you can do after building it that you couldn't do before. Of course,
enthusiasts do not represent a significant source of government funding, and
are thus unlikely to have significant input to the roadmap. I'm just sayin',
is all.

Rob

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-07 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-25 14:32 ron minnich
2007-02-25 14:58 ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-25 19:49   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-02-25 20:09     ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-25 14:59 ` Martin Neubauer
2007-02-25 15:50   ` fgergo
2007-02-25 22:34     ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-26  8:49       ` fgergo
2007-02-26  9:19         ` ron minnich
2007-02-26  9:53           ` Richard Miller
2007-02-26 11:47             ` ron minnich
2007-02-26 22:18               ` cummij
2007-02-26 11:50           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-02-26 12:50           ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-26 15:08             ` ron minnich
2007-02-26 15:13               ` Lluís Batlle
2007-02-26 15:54               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-02-26 17:28                 ` Paul Lalonde
2007-02-26 18:56                   ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 18:58                 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-02-27 16:08                   ` Salva Peiró
2007-02-26 18:12               ` John Floren
2007-02-26 18:39               ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 19:05                 ` John Floren
2007-02-26 19:38                   ` David Leimbach
2007-03-06 19:33               ` bride of excession
2007-03-06 20:27                 ` ron minnich
2007-03-06 21:56                   ` matt
2007-03-06 22:37                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-06 23:08                       ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-06 23:12                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-06 23:18                           ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  4:21                             ` David Leimbach
2007-03-07  3:48                     ` lucio
2007-03-07  4:13                       ` lucio
2007-03-07  4:23                       ` David Leimbach
2007-03-07  5:52                       ` Vester Thacker
2007-03-07  6:02                         ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  6:16                           ` Vester Thacker
2007-03-07  6:42                             ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  8:28                               ` Bakul Shah
2007-03-07 11:50                               ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-07 21:21                                 ` John Osborne
2007-03-07 22:47                                   ` Markus Sonderegger
2007-03-08  0:41                                   ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-07 21:31                                 ` Paweł Lasek
2007-03-07 13:47                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-07 14:22                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:05                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-07 18:38                                     ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:06                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-07 18:30                                     ` lucio
2007-03-07 16:55                               ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-07 20:34                               ` matt
2007-03-14 16:31                               ` bride of excession
2007-03-07  6:59                             ` Bruce Ellis
2007-03-07  8:02                         ` csant
2007-03-07 10:04                           ` cej
2007-03-07 10:17                             ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 12:50                               ` Kenneth Long
2007-03-07 14:04                                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 18:28                                   ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-07 18:35                                     ` lucio
2007-03-07 16:53                           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-07 17:18                             ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 17:40                               ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-07 17:43                                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-07 18:41                                   ` Robert Sherwood [this message]
2007-03-07 19:01                                     ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 19:03                                     ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-08  1:16                                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-08  4:59                                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-08 15:02                                         ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08 15:32                                           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-08 10:11                                       ` cej
2007-03-08 14:03                                         ` Gorka Guardiola
2007-03-08 14:09                                           ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:27                                 ` lucio
2007-03-08  0:28                               ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08  0:45                                 ` don bailey
2007-03-08  1:48                                   ` geoff
2007-03-08  2:19                                     ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-08  8:32                                       ` matt
2007-03-08 15:03                                         ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08 15:09                                           ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-08 15:24                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-08 16:33                                             ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08  2:45                                     ` Anthony Sorace
2007-03-08 19:02                                   ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-08 19:41                                     ` Boris Maryshev
2007-03-08 21:02                                       ` matt
2007-03-08 21:55                                         ` ron minnich
2007-03-09  4:46                                           ` lucio
2007-03-13 13:38                                             ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-09  4:17                                         ` lucio
2007-03-09 11:31                                         ` [9fans] " app
2007-03-09 15:52                                           ` David Leimbach
2007-03-09 22:08                                             ` Elbing Miss
2007-03-09 22:43                                               ` David Leimbach
2007-03-12  8:45                                   ` [9fans] " Dave Eckhardt
2007-03-12 10:06                                     ` lejatorn
2007-03-12 16:55                                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-12 17:37                                         ` lejatorn
2007-03-12 17:43                                           ` David Leimbach
2007-03-13 13:54                                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-13 13:59                                       ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-14  4:05                                       ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-14  4:26                                     ` Noah Evans
2007-03-14  4:33                                       ` lucio
2007-03-14  5:13                                         ` Noah Evans
2007-03-15 14:47                                           ` lucio
2007-03-15 17:57                                             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-03-15 18:10                                               ` lucio
2007-03-15 18:36                                                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-03-15 19:28                                                   ` lucio
2007-03-16  8:20                                                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-16  8:31                                                       ` Uriel
2007-03-15 23:53                                             ` Noah Evans
2007-03-16  4:41                                               ` lucio
2007-03-16  8:06                                                 ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-16 12:33                                                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-16 14:13                                                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-14  4:40                                       ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-14  6:06                                       ` Gabriel Díaz
2007-03-14  9:29                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-14  9:57                                       ` matt
2007-03-14 12:52                                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-08 18:34                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2007-03-08 18:44                                   ` Paul Lalonde
2007-03-06 22:23                   ` Robert Hibberdine
2007-03-06 22:28                   ` John Floren
2007-03-12 12:17                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-06 23:17                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-06 23:21                   ` geoff
2007-03-07  0:48                     ` John Floren
2007-02-26 14:32           ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 15:19           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-03-14  5:21 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2007-03-14  9:36 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-14  6:15 YAMANASHI Takeshi

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