Actually, I meant it without qualifiers. We have 2^9 possible permissions. One of them is to allow anyone (that can attach the fs) to do anything. I can see when that's a useful thing. For the /mail/box directory its a bit too much. Geoff Collyer suggested making the 'a' bit on directories mean that you can't rename files (ala unix sticky bit?). I wouldn't mind that for the mail directory.