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Here's my t= houghts. I don't think the development of another mainline release or the formation = of a core team really makes sense. A core team is built around a solid visi= on and the ability (and want) to follow that. My suggestion is, you just start building your own distribution based on yo= ur vision and people can join. I just doubt that this will end up being 5e,= especially because there's nobody who's willing to give it a 5e stamp. That said, we have "official" plan 9 releases: 4th is "officially" 4th, 9fr= ont is "officially" 9front, and 9legacy is "officially" 9legacy. It's ok to= let history be and start building new stuff based on what happened in the = past 15 years instead of building on a state 15 years ago and hoping for a = magical stamp to give you an "official" branding. People don't care if they're using an "official" system. People use linux, = which is not unix. People use 9front, which is not plan 9. Many good things= started as forks, and that's ok. Forming a core team is like forcing people into a vision without a base. Ma= ybe they'll start, but there's no guarantee. It's more likely they'll just = leave and that was it. If you take a look at FreeBSD, they started more or less as something like = 9legacy, and they continued to be 9legacy. They never were "official" 386BS= D, they even looked for another name, which ended up being "FreeBSD". I'll write another mail as response to your new mail. sirjofri ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T8d272411830cebfc-M995ec= 6ebe520824e44358edb Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription