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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:41:28 -0400
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Subject: Re: [9fans] bug in rio: unhiding deleted windows
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> Well, sure. But somehow (don't know exactly how) sth. similar happened to me
> lately -- i.e. I ended with not responding rio. And was just thinking: if I
> could just kill it... and could not, not having an available shell. Could
> not even stop the machine properly (not everybody can have several dedicated
> machines, one for a file server, one for a terminal...). I even 'lost' some
> of my data then, probably for having to press that ^t^tr and not stop the
> filesystem -- one of my files just had a zero lenght after the reboot. To
> some it up: I just always feel better when having some possibility to get to
> some shell somehow and enter commands... (true, had I set up the files
> allowing me to log in from a remote machine, it could have been some
> solution then; but this also is not always on hand)
> Ruda

two points
1.  you can run rio in a rio window so you can debug
rio without fiddling with your root rio.

2.  if you're not running the fileserver on your cpu server,
it's always safe to reboot.  in fact, the dozen or so cpu
servers that i manage are rebooted by pulling the plug.
this is one of my favorite features of plan 9's architecture.

i'm not sure why you can't have a dedicated fileserver.
i put mine original fs together for $12.95.  this fs is still
running, i just wanted to put together a diskless fs.

my original fs is a 1998-vintage pIII running 64-bit
kenfs.  the $12.95 was for a 8169s gbe.  i guess i
didn't need to spend that money on the gbe, but i'm a
performance weenie.  it was fast enough for me, but
probablly not for windows.  i'd bet you could find a
number of similar machines for just a few dollars.

if you want new, a via or intel cpu/mobo/video combo
is super cheep.

- erik