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[Was: Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] Message-ID: X-Mailer: IceWarp Mailer 12.1.1.5 DEB9 x64-Desktop In-Reply-To: References: <0effcc39-7b03-4a1c-af30-36ffc6d97e2a@app.fastmail.com> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-SpamReason: {Bypass=T}-{0.00}-{0.00}-{0.00 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: a0185a42-bbae-11ee-84b4-ea5ae0861a57 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NYjQzYjRjMzRhN2E0NTkzMmQ1NjJk?= =?UTF-8?B?ZGEyPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mb43b4c34a7a45932d562dda2:1:_8znPpMUKRTO0u4_7s7UeufthuckTKxOxyoJc_Vy-rk hello from czechia. make plan9 not war :-) there are many un*xes, so we can have many distros of plan9 :-) i have 9front, original plan9 in my virtual machines so i think there's rea= lly no problem. and anyone can become creator of new distro and use any code he wants :-) i was thinking about my own czech distro named "TATRAPLAN9", long time ago = there was czech automobile called TATRAPLAN :-) so keep it peaceful here :-) alex@plan9.cz =C2=A0 ----- P=C5=AFvodn=C3=AD zpr=C3=A1va ----- Odesilatel: Michael Misch (michaelmisch1985@gmail.com) Datum: 01/25/24 19:16 P=C5=99=C3=ADjemce: 9fans (9fans@9fans.net) P=C5=99edm=C4=9Bt: Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 fo= r the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] This is incredibly rude and tone-deaf. Your convictions aside, dismissing a= n opinion like this is simply stonewalling, and quite frankly obliterated w= hatever respect I may have started to develop for you. > On Jan 25, 2024, at 08:44, Don Bailey wrote: > > I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it. > > If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both = as a user and a developer. > > I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any inte= rest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be. > > D > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40=E2=80=AFAM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>= wrote: > > I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I=E2= =80=99d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like t= o only receive patches through them. > > Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a User? > > Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real > bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would > "manage" something. for example =C2=A0development and continuous hosting = of > the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case. > > I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the > foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last > few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via > email) received from them. > > I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off" > is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result > the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server > resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and > community (that is willing to stay patches) alive. > > It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely > contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate > with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community > members are able to contribute quite effectively. > > To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay > alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own > team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool > kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with > blackjack and hookers. In my head. > > Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. At least this is what > I have came here for, and have tried to take what caused awe in me and > keep them alive and infect others with all that. Maybe you can submit > another patch to sources some day soon. > > hiro > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permali= nk ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Mb43b4= c34a7a45932d562dda2 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription