From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:47:38 +0100 From: "Giacomo Tesio" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <1fc0d9800811251801h23099f0dn2f4faebbfdcba7fb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18795_17819635.1227689258493" References: <32d987d50811251240t1c1f78bch5b7a78d4f8cd1ac3@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920811251434j59a97f44h473bbc13f550a14@mail.gmail.com> <1fc0d9800811251801h23099f0dn2f4faebbfdcba7fb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] xml2 and APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: 531b5276-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_18795_17819635.1227689258493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Probably my english is worse than I thought! :-D Well. I'd like to build a framework for web development as described in http://9fans.net/archive/2008/11/748 http://9fans.net/archive/2008/11/796 Since XML (and XSLT) are so diffused, it would allow to delegate the (not so) tiny client/browser to dressup data toward javascript and to optimize bandwith by moving only needed contents. Obviously, when the client is really tiny, like the blind readers are, or doesn't support javascript, the server has to be able to translate by itself and send it yet dressed webpages. Well this is one of the feature I require. But, in 5 years of (non exclusive) web development, I could not find such a framework. IMHO, it would be also a chance for Plan 9 itself to be a bit less elitarian. More complex and huge systems (like JEE or .NET) don't allow the role separation (developer / graphic designer) I aim to. Nor the speed, the security or the scalability. Sadly, 'till now, they are just ideas. Giacomo On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Nick LaForge wrote: > hello, > > interfacing external languages should not often be hard, especially by > defining a relevent language subset. > > i don't understand, though, why your external language 'xml' need now > be part of your application? > > thanks, > nkl > > ------=_Part_18795_17819635.1227689258493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Probably my english is worse than I thought! :-D

Well. I'd like to build a framework for web development as described in
http://9fans.net/archive/2008/11/748
http://9fans.net/archive/2008/11/796

Since XML (and XSLT) are so diffused, it would allow to delegate the (not so) tiny client/browser to dressup data toward javascript and to optimize bandwith by moving only needed contents.

Obviously, when the client is really tiny, like the blind readers are, or doesn't support javascript, the server has to be able to translate by itself and send it yet dressed webpages.

Well this is one of the feature I require.

But, in 5 years of (non exclusive) web development, I could not find such a framework.


IMHO, it would be also a chance for Plan 9 itself to be a bit less elitarian.
More complex and huge systems (like JEE or .NET) don't allow the role separation (developer / graphic designer) I aim to. Nor the speed, the security or the scalability.


Sadly, 'till now, they are just ideas.


Giacomo


On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Nick LaForge <nicklaforge@gmail.com> wrote:
hello,

interfacing external languages should not often be hard, especially by
defining a relevent language subset.

i don't understand, though, why your external language 'xml' need now
be part of your application?

thanks,
nkl


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