* [9fans] IL depreciated
@ 2012-05-11 16:12 Burton Samograd
2012-05-11 16:31 ` David du Colombier
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From: Burton Samograd @ 2012-05-11 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs (9fans@9fans.net)
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>From the IL Wikipedia page:
As of the Fourth Edition of Plan 9, 2003, IL is deprecated in favor of TCP/IP because it doesn't handle long-distance connections well.
Does anybody still use IL? It sounds like an interesting protocol and I'm wondering if anybody has or is still using it for either local network or internet usage. And, given It's depreciation status, is it still available for use if one does want to use it?
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* Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
2012-05-11 16:12 [9fans] IL depreciated Burton Samograd
@ 2012-05-11 16:31 ` David du Colombier
2012-05-11 16:42 ` Burton Samograd
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2012-05-11 16:36 ` Skip Tavakkolian
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From: David du Colombier @ 2012-05-11 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Does anybody still use IL? It sounds like an interesting protocol
> and I'm wondering if anybody has or is still using it for either
> local network or internet usage. And, given It's depreciation
> status, is it still available for use if one does want to use it?
I still use IL on my local network, but that's mostly for fun.
You can easily add the IL protocol back to the kernel
by applying the following patches:
term% cd /
term% 9fs sources
term% ape/patch -p1 < /n/sources/contrib/djc/il/il-plan9.diff
term% ape/patch -p1 < /n/sources/contrib/djc/il/il-netlog.diff
term% ape/patch -p1 < /n/sources/contrib/djc/il/il-conf.diff
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* Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
2012-05-11 16:12 [9fans] IL depreciated Burton Samograd
2012-05-11 16:31 ` David du Colombier
@ 2012-05-11 16:36 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2012-05-11 18:05 ` Connor Lane Smith
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From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2012-05-11 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
the set is at least as large as the number of people who have kenfs.
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Burton Samograd
<burton.samograd@markit.com> wrote:
> From the IL Wikipedia page:
>
>
>
> As of the Fourth Edition of Plan 9, 2003, IL is deprecated in favor of
> TCP/IP because it doesn't handle long-distance connections well.
>
>
>
> Does anybody still use IL? It sounds like an interesting protocol and I’m
> wondering if anybody has or is still using it for either local network or
> internet usage. And, given It’s depreciation status, is it still available
> for use if one does want to use it?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Burton Samograd
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
2012-05-11 16:12 [9fans] IL depreciated Burton Samograd
2012-05-11 16:31 ` David du Colombier
2012-05-11 16:36 ` Skip Tavakkolian
@ 2012-05-11 18:05 ` Connor Lane Smith
2012-05-11 18:14 ` Iruatã Souza
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From: Connor Lane Smith @ 2012-05-11 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Hey,
The explanation for IL's deprecation is originally from the Plan 9
fourth release notes [1]:
> We are phasing out the IL protocol since it doesn’t handle long-distance
> connections well (and long-distance networks don’t handle it well, either).
Does anyone know what it is about IL's design that means it doesn't
handle long-distance connections well?
[1]: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/release4.html
Thanks,
cls
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* Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
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@ 2012-05-11 18:39 ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-11 18:52 ` David du Colombier
2012-05-11 20:46 ` Burton Samograd
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-05-11 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
>
> Does anyone know what it is about IL's design that means it doesn't
> handle long-distance connections well?
i can't think of anything that's inherent or fundamental to the protocol.
on the other hand, i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted.
tls over the internet makes much more sense to me.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
2012-05-11 18:39 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-05-11 18:52 ` David du Colombier
2012-05-11 19:14 ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-11 20:46 ` Burton Samograd
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From: David du Colombier @ 2012-05-11 18:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> i can't think of anything that's inherent or fundamental to the
> protocol. on the other hand, i don't use il over the internet since
> it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me.
Can't you use TLS over IL?
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* Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
2012-05-11 18:52 ` David du Colombier
@ 2012-05-11 19:14 ` erik quanstrom
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-05-11 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Fri May 11 14:54:37 EDT 2012, 0intro@gmail.com wrote:
> > i can't think of anything that's inherent or fundamental to the
> > protocol. on the other hand, i don't use il over the internet since
> > it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me.
>
> Can't you use TLS over IL?
i think tls only requires reliable, in-order.
it has it's own record layer. so yes, good point,
i think you could.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
2012-05-11 18:39 ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-11 18:52 ` David du Colombier
@ 2012-05-11 20:46 ` Burton Samograd
2012-05-11 20:48 ` Burton Samograd
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From: Burton Samograd @ 2012-05-11 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted.
> tls over the internet makes much more sense to me.
Is there no encryption support for 9P?
- erik
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