From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:25:21 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <20140106170926.GA680@polynum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-wpuxtcjfiygspdbckzbtxykwld" Subject: Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors? Topicbox-Message-UUID: aed3ef2a-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-wpuxtcjfiygspdbckzbtxykwld Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very good points, every one of them. 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X-BeenThere: 9fans@9fans.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces@9fans.net Errors-To: 9fans-bounces@9fans.net X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mumble.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.140]); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:09:14 +0200 (SAST) X-Filter: OK <9fans-bounces@9fans.net> On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 05:40:50PM +0100, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote: > > 9front exists precisely because the 9front authors considered Plan 9 > closed. Using it as an example of openness is the ultimate in > hypocrisy. > It's easier to correct one whole defined "wrong" direction than to correct a source code with no direction at all (demonstrated more than once; for example, for me, with GRASS and TeX: I have managed to take _alone_ GRASS because I started from the last CERL version, sending more than 10 years of community "improvements" to /dev/null; the same applies for TeX: I have not fixed TeXlive...). As stated more than once, for example by Erik, Plan9 is small. This means that it is still maintainable i.e. "holding in one's hand". And I'm still convinced that the future belongs to such a small system due to a world chaos and a general distrust about the huge beasts everyone is relying upon at the moment (the hypocritical equivalent of "closed" source been "open" giga-source: yes, one "could" read all; except that one will never finish reading it during her live's length and it is more than easy to write puzzling code...). PS: how many have had the curiosity to look, for example, of an Intel NIC specification? Does anyone have any certainty about what such a peripheral can or could do on its own? I don't know how one can be sure of any device one has build from minerals by hand... That's good for someone like me who does nothing "secret", but for people dealing with critical data why don't they go back to paper alone? -- Thierry Laronde http://www.kergis.com/ http://www.renaissance-francaise.fr/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C --upas-wpuxtcjfiygspdbckzbtxykwld--