From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... From: C H Forsyth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-tipqfhvfybwspmxndyodszfblr" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:08:47 +0000 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 7a333f52-eacc-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tipqfhvfybwspmxndyodszfblr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit at a technical level, mothra assumed that it could display HTML in (essentially) a single pass, because that was true for HTML of the time. two things happened: - tables were introduced, which demolished that assumption - graphics designers were introduced, which meant that just `displaying' HTML wasn't enough, it must be displayed `properly' which arguably can't be done well in one pass. there's an interaction between the two because some pages are big tables. i did some hackery to keep mothra going for a while, but its data structures weren't really up to the bigger tasks. not it's fault, i hasten to add, it was just that the one pass assumption which was true originally (and i suppose might have remained true in a different history) no longer held so the structures were now inappropriate. somewhat later javascript was introduced, and as that's now fairly common on some sites you might well like to visit, and that's even further away from old mothra. it gets harder and harder after that... --upas-tipqfhvfybwspmxndyodszfblr Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@vitanuova.com id 1AEUOs-0001Zr-DP; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:49:57 +0000 Received: from [130.203.4.6] (helo=mail.cse.psu.edu) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AEUOs-0001Zr-DP; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:00:46 +0000 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 21EC319BD9; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1A3219AB8; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:00:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D038C19A9C; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA8FA19A9C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h9SDxcaJ007958 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:59:39 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h9SDxcSA022856 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:59:38 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id h9SDxcCA003534 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:59:38 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:59:37 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 matt@proweb.co.uk wrote: > > anything that gave me a web browser would be good enough. > > btw. the tk/grail option is out, grail can render less than mothra what was the reason for not just getting mothra up to speed? ron --upas-tipqfhvfybwspmxndyodszfblr--