* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-02-11 4:12 ` jmk
@ 2006-02-11 4:16 ` jmk
2006-02-11 4:23 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-03-09 19:37 ` jmk
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From: jmk @ 2006-02-11 4:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Actually, better than votes, send in your drivers...
On Fri Feb 10 23:14:09 EST 2006, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
> As mentioned last week, Christopher Nielsen <cnielsen@pobox.com>
> has volunteered some time to work on the 57xx driver.
> I'm expecting a laptop with a 44xx chip to arrive while
> I am away all next week. Whether I'll decide to piss myself off
> with the Atheros driver or the Broadcom driver first is up for
> grabs, send your votes in.
>
> On Fri Feb 10 22:38:41 EST 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:03 PM, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
> >
> > > Which bge, the 44xx or the 57xx?
> >
> > 57xx. (Dell Latitude D610)
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* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-02-11 4:12 ` jmk
2006-02-11 4:16 ` jmk
@ 2006-02-11 4:23 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-03-09 19:37 ` jmk
2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-02-11 4:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Feb 10, 2006, at 8:12 PM, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
> I'm expecting a laptop with a 44xx chip to arrive while
> I am away all next week. Whether I'll decide to piss myself off
> with the Atheros driver or the Broadcom driver first is up for
> grabs, send your votes in.
You have the wrong Broadcom chipset, so I'll throw Scotch at the
Atheros driver. But only for the next week ;-P
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* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-02-11 4:12 ` jmk
2006-02-11 4:16 ` jmk
2006-02-11 4:23 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
@ 2006-03-09 19:37 ` jmk
2006-03-09 19:45 ` uriel
2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: jmk @ 2006-03-09 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
>From the Fount of All Knowledge:
uriel (from what I recall, there are some issues with something
reading one byte at a time or somesuch, but I'm personally
clueless about USB stack internals, but the people
I have heard talk about it do have a clue)
didn't jmk ask for testers of the damn broadcom drivers
like months ago? /me has yet to see a single line of
code of them... *Sigh*
I think you are referring to this:
On Fri Feb 10 23:14:07 EST 2006, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
> As mentioned last week, Christopher Nielsen <cnielsen@pobox.com>
> has volunteered some time to work on the 57xx driver.
> I'm expecting a laptop with a 44xx chip to arrive while
> I am away all next week. Whether I'll decide to piss myself off
> with the Atheros driver or the Broadcom driver first is up for
> grabs, send your votes in.
>
> On Fri Feb 10 22:38:41 EST 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:03 PM, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
> >
> > > Which bge, the 44xx or the 57xx?
> >
> > 57xx. (Dell Latitude D610)
which does not ask for testers, only votes, and was less than a
month ago. Anyway, a BCM4401 driver has been written and
is being tested by others. However, in light of the following:
uriel the live CD needs a bit of polishing, but I plan to
merge it with the installer
but before that comes killing 9load
I'll just hang on to it and save myself the time and trouble of
polishing it off until I can integrate it with your replacement
for 9load (if necessary). Let me know when it's ready.
--jim
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* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-03-09 19:37 ` jmk
@ 2006-03-09 19:45 ` uriel
2006-03-09 19:57 ` Russ Cox
2006-03-09 23:32 ` Dan Cross
0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: uriel @ 2006-03-09 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> uriel the live CD needs a bit of polishing, but I plan to
> merge it with the installer
> but before that comes killing 9load
>
> I'll just hang on to it and save myself the time and trouble of
> polishing it off until I can integrate it with your replacement
> for 9load (if necessary). Let me know when it's ready.
As russ explained, the replacement for 9load is a standard Plan 9
kernel. I am still thinking about what the best way design the user
space bits that parse the plan9.ini invoque /dev/reboot. I'm happy to
hear suggestions.
uriel
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* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-03-09 19:45 ` uriel
@ 2006-03-09 19:57 ` Russ Cox
2006-03-09 20:12 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-03-09 23:32 ` Dan Cross
1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Russ Cox @ 2006-03-09 19:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> As russ explained, the replacement for 9load is a standard Plan 9
> kernel. I am still thinking about what the best way design the user
> space bits that parse the plan9.ini invoque /dev/reboot. I'm happy to
> hear suggestions.
it's great that you can just think through the design
without coding anything. i wish i could do that.
russ
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* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-03-09 19:57 ` Russ Cox
@ 2006-03-09 20:12 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-03-09 21:04 ` Bruce Ellis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2006-03-09 20:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> it's great that you can just think through the design
> without coding anything. i wish i could do that.
the rise of the philosopher programmer, surely! programmers who write
code are dead like the dinosaurs.
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* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-03-09 20:12 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2006-03-09 21:04 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-09 21:18 ` jmk
0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-03-09 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
it's a matter of balance, i find. if you write the code without
thinking through the design you are doomed, except for
very trivial tasks. if you think through the design, and think,
and think, and never code then you may have had fun but
don't end up with a program.
brucee
On 3/10/06, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> > it's great that you can just think through the design
> > without coding anything. i wish i could do that.
>
> the rise of the philosopher programmer, surely! programmers who write
> code are dead like the dinosaurs.
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* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-03-09 21:04 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2006-03-09 21:18 ` jmk
0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: jmk @ 2006-03-09 21:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Thu Mar 9 16:05:53 EST 2006, bruce.ellis@gmail.com wrote:
> it's a matter of balance, i find. if you write the code without
> thinking through the design you are doomed, except for
> very trivial tasks. if you think through the design, and think,
> and think, and never code then you may have had fun but
> don't end up with a program.
>
> brucee
> ...
Yes. The following seems to hit all the bases - there's a lot
of think and think and think about the trivial part with no code
forthcoming and no thought whatsoever given to the hard part.
And he doesn't sound like he's having any fun, either. *SIGH*
--jim
On Thu Mar 9 14:45:34 EST 2006, uriel@cat-v.org wrote:
> > uriel the live CD needs a bit of polishing, but I plan to
> > merge it with the installer
> > but before that comes killing 9load
> >
> > I'll just hang on to it and save myself the time and trouble of
> > polishing it off until I can integrate it with your replacement
> > for 9load (if necessary). Let me know when it's ready.
>
> As russ explained, the replacement for 9load is a standard Plan 9
> kernel. I am still thinking about what the best way design the user
> space bits that parse the plan9.ini invoque /dev/reboot. I'm happy to
> hear suggestions.
>
> uriel
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* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-03-09 19:45 ` uriel
2006-03-09 19:57 ` Russ Cox
@ 2006-03-09 23:32 ` Dan Cross
2006-03-10 6:44 ` Bruce Ellis
1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Dan Cross @ 2006-03-09 23:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 08:45:03PM +0100, uriel@cat-v.org wrote:
> As russ explained, the replacement for 9load is a standard Plan 9
> kernel. I am still thinking about what the best way design the user
> space bits that parse the plan9.ini invoque /dev/reboot. I'm happy to
> hear suggestions.
No need for suggestions, surely. It sounds like you've got the situation
well in hand. We'll defer to your superior knowledge and experience and
just wait for your solution.
- Dan C.
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* Re: [9fans] bge
2006-03-09 23:32 ` Dan Cross
@ 2006-03-10 6:44 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-10 13:41 ` Dan Cross
0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-03-10 6:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Dan, some people have unusual skills. Let's play pool again.
brucee
On 3/10/06, Dan Cross <cross@math.psu.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 08:45:03PM +0100, uriel@cat-v.org wrote:
> > As russ explained, the replacement for 9load is a standard Plan 9
> > kernel. I am still thinking about what the best way design the user
> > space bits that parse the plan9.ini invoque /dev/reboot. I'm happy to
> > hear suggestions.
>
> No need for suggestions, surely. It sounds like you've got the situation
> well in hand. We'll defer to your superior knowledge and experience and
> just wait for your solution.
>
> - Dan C.
>
>
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