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From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Again: (self)hosted Plan9? Was: [9fans] extending xen to allow
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:29:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ee9e417a0612111829n33dbb109t7d76959bfe0c0549@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29101.1165882921@lunacy.ugrad.cs.cmu.edu>

We talked at length about this issue at IWP9 without a lot of consensus.
However, I think that many of us agreed on these points:

 - writing drivers sucks.
 - copying Linux and Windows will accomplish very little.
 - one significant place where Plan 9 wins is using it as a versatile
   base for building pieces that people use without knowing it's Plan 9
   (e.g., Sape's wireless base stations, Rangboom, xcpu, and
   many Inferno apps that Charles can't talk about).
 - there may be real value in finding a way to use Xen or other
   virtualization technologies to run Plan 9 on machines (for example,
   terminals) where you care more about the convenience of having
   Plan 9 than about the performance (or reliability!) of having it in
   control of the hardware.

And perhaps most important of all:

 - remember to keep it fun!

I can't deny the utility of having Firefox (I'm writing this in a
Firefox window), but even if Plan 9 could run Firefox, the next
thing would be oh but it needs to be able to run these ten
plugins, and so on and so on.  Personally, I think you are going
to be much happier running Plan 9 in some VM environment on
Linux or Windows than putting in the effort for the other way around.

Russ


  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-12  2:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-10 23:52 erik quanstrom
2006-12-12  0:22 ` Dave Eckhardt
2006-12-12  2:29   ` Russ Cox [this message]
2006-12-12  5:01     ` Lucio De Re
2006-12-12 14:21       ` Brantley Coile
2006-12-12  9:22     ` Charles Forsyth
2006-12-12  9:41       ` Bruce Ellis
2006-12-12 14:31         ` Brantley Coile
2006-12-12 14:55         ` ron minnich
2006-12-12 15:18           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2006-12-12 15:25             ` erik quanstrom
2006-12-12 22:01             ` ron minnich
2006-12-12 22:19               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-12 23:13                 ` ron minnich
2006-12-12 23:47                   ` Bakul Shah
2006-12-12 23:37                 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-12-13 18:27                   ` ron minnich
2006-12-13 19:02                     ` Matt
2006-12-13 19:13                       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-14 18:55                         ` David Leimbach
2006-12-13  0:41               ` quite Off Topic: " Georg Lehner
2006-12-13  3:46                 ` Jack Johnson
2006-12-13 21:04                 ` ron minnich
2006-12-13 21:13                   ` Russ Cox
2006-12-13 21:30                     ` Bakul Shah
2006-12-12  9:41       ` Gabriel Diaz
2006-12-12  9:51         ` Bruce Ellis
2006-12-12 10:28           ` Lucio De Re
2006-12-12 10:30             ` Bruce Ellis
2006-12-12 23:26               ` Scott Schwartz
2006-12-12 14:42             ` Brantley Coile
2006-12-12 14:51               ` Gabriel Diaz
2006-12-12 11:49           ` Charles Forsyth
2006-12-12 14:17     ` Brantley Coile
2006-12-13  0:37     ` David Leimbach
2006-12-13  1:51       ` Aki Nyrhinen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-12-10 20:19 erik quanstrom
2006-12-10 13:00 erik quanstrom
2006-12-07  5:01 Again: (self)hosted Plan9? Was: [9fans] extending xen to allow driver ron minnich
2006-12-07  5:46 ` Again: (self)hosted Plan9? Was: [9fans] extending xen to allow Lucio De Re
2006-12-07  6:06   ` ron minnich
2006-12-09  4:21     ` Chad Dougherty
2006-12-09 11:21       ` Steve Simon
2006-12-09 12:43         ` Lucio De Re
2006-12-09 12:56         ` erik quanstrom
2006-12-10  4:55           ` geoff
2006-12-10  5:04             ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-12-10 20:16         ` Charles Forsyth
2006-12-10 20:56           ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-12-10 21:38             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-12-10 20:52         ` ron minnich

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