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From: lucio@proxima.alt.za
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Man pages for add-ons
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 06:32:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eee3b032f1a7f89c34b1be8e294631d6@proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F8F50284-D5A9-4B12-ABBE-1F62FB462B14@fastmail.fm>

> You could say I'm trading one complexity
> for another: arguing for growing system directories instead.

It's hard and not always possible to replace complexity with
simplicity.  Sometimes, even in Plan 9, the choice is to simplify by
convention rather than refinement, there are quite a few heuristics in
Plan 9 that could be replaced by configuration arguments, say, but
then the namespace definitions would be insufferably large.

My favourite example is acme: I'd love message templates in Mail, but
it's almost impossible to create such things without adding
complexity.

So, yes, one trades one complexity for another.  Considering that the
computer is a general-purpose tool that can be programmed to execute
an infinite number of tasks, wildly different and simultaneous, it is
hard to condone simplification for the sake of permitting access to
users who just want to be able to use it.  Not because access should
not be permitted, obviously, but because it restricts what those in
the know can do.  If you want an example, consider the mobile phone:
there are many, many functions I would dearly like my particular
handset (Sony-Ericsson C905) to perform, but are prohibited to me by
the manufacturer, not by my skills and abilities.

I think there are ethical issues here that need exploring and this
type of discussion seldom reaches any conclusions, probably because
we're all busy, result oreiented technologists.  This is the realm of
philosophy and I wish more people would focus not so much on the
technology, but on the long-term effect of different technological
alternatives.

I guess that's just me.

++L




  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-27  4:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-25 11:49 tlaronde
2010-03-25 13:37 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-25 15:31   ` tlaronde
2010-03-25 15:36     ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26  1:07       ` EBo
2010-03-25 16:03     ` Steve Simon
2010-03-25 18:11   ` lucio
2010-03-25 19:05     ` Tim Newsham
2010-03-25 19:36       ` lucio
2010-03-25 19:42         ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26  0:52   ` EBo
2010-03-26  1:36     ` Jacob Todd
2010-03-26  2:05       ` ron minnich
2010-03-26  5:02       ` EBo
2010-03-26  5:52         ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-26 13:33           ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26  5:59         ` Anthony Sorace
2010-03-26  6:09           ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-26  6:12           ` EBo
2010-03-26  6:24             ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-26  7:08               ` EBo
2010-03-26 13:24                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 13:09           ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 16:45         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 16:55           ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:00             ` ron minnich
2010-03-26 17:12               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:10             ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 17:13               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:15                 ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 17:21                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:31                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 17:36                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:56                         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 18:44                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 18:57                             ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 21:17                             ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-26 21:30                               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 21:49                                 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-26 17:31                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-26 17:34                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 21:15                     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-26 21:32                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 22:37                         ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-27  4:32                           ` lucio [this message]
2010-03-27 17:39                           ` Tim Newsham
2010-03-27 22:37                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 16:56           ` ron minnich
2010-03-26 17:05             ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 21:50             ` tlaronde
2010-03-27  4:15               ` lucio
2010-03-27  7:53                 ` Steve Simon
2010-03-27  8:40                   ` lucio
2010-03-27  9:30                     ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-27 13:41                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-27 13:08                   ` Anthony Sorace
2010-03-27 11:20                 ` tlaronde
2010-03-28 13:17               ` [9fans] Man pages for add-ons: pax? tlaronde
2010-03-28 13:20                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-28 18:39                 ` hiro
2010-03-26 17:05           ` [9fans] Man pages for add-ons Anthony Sorace
2010-03-26 20:21         ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-27 16:46           ` Tim Newsham
2010-03-27 16:54             ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-27 17:58               ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-27 18:09                 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                   ` <f4d8fa41003271132k7d7e839fk78999c75ddf4b6af@mail.gmail.com>
2010-03-27 18:33                     ` hiro
2010-03-27 23:45               ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-28  0:39                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-27 23:56               ` Tim Newsham
2010-03-28  0:45                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-28  0:52                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-28  0:55                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-28  1:02                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-28 19:06               ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-28 19:36                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-28 20:04                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-28 22:59                   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-28 23:28                     ` hiro
2010-03-29  0:59                       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-29  2:11                         ` Iruata Souza
2010-03-29  9:07                           ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-29 11:29                             ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-29 12:14                               ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-29 12:41                                 ` Connor Lane Smith
2010-03-29 13:05                                   ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-29 13:23                                     ` Connor Lane Smith
2010-03-29 13:58                                       ` Steve Simon
2010-03-29 19:29                                 ` Georg Lehner
2010-03-29 22:35                                   ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-29 14:14                               ` blstuart
2010-03-29  1:00                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-27 17:49             ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-28 18:56             ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-28 20:09               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-28 21:27           ` Jacob Todd
2010-03-25 14:07 ` Steve Simon
2010-03-25 15:48   ` tlaronde
2010-03-26  2:02 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-26  2:04   ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-29 10:12 Hiro
2010-03-29 12:33 Hiro

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