From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:00:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ef457aa45adcf03f2940568ba3a9f934@kw.quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120531073723.GA489@polynum.com>
> But to speak or to write a meaningful english, is far more difficult.
> And I would say that it is easier to start english than to achieve a
> correct level in english and I doubt that a non native english speaker
> can achieve it---because there are no written rules but a context that
> only a native speaker has: from the dictionary, there are a lot of
> words that seem to convey the very same meaning; but a native speaker
> will use some in some context, and other in others; while in french too
> distinct words have never the very same meaning, and the nuance is
> established.
three things on connotation vs. denotation as it's known in american
high school english classes:
- my wife proves you wrong. (don't worry. you're not alone.) nobody
guesses that english is not her native tongue.
- the rules are in proper dictionaries like the oed. entries include
usage over time illustrated by quoted text and generally include
the earliest known reference.
- i think you're drawing perhaps too bright a line.
new connotations for particular words crop up all the time, especially
in small groups. i'm sure the one-word private joke is a common
experience in many languages. i can recall a few from germany.
schädelbräu comes to mind.
- erik
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2012-05-30 6:30 Lucio De Re
2012-05-30 6:28 ` John Floren
2012-05-30 6:51 ` Lucio De Re
2012-05-30 10:40 ` tlaronde
2012-05-30 12:51 ` Lucio De Re
2012-05-30 14:52 ` Anthony Sorace
2012-05-30 15:20 ` Richard Miller
2012-05-30 15:25 ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-30 16:15 ` Calvin Morrison
2012-05-30 16:17 ` John Floren
2012-05-30 16:20 ` Richard Miller
2012-05-30 16:38 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2012-05-30 16:23 ` Calvin Morrison
2012-05-30 16:42 ` tlaronde
2012-05-30 16:57 ` hiro
2012-05-30 17:28 ` cinap_lenrek
2012-05-31 4:10 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-05-31 7:37 ` tlaronde
2012-05-31 18:00 ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2012-05-31 18:58 ` tlaronde
2012-05-31 11:32 ` Anthony Sorace
2012-06-03 0:36 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-05-30 16:56 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2012-05-31 18:05 ` steve
2012-05-31 18:18 ` John Floren
2012-06-01 11:54 ` Uriel
2012-05-31 18:24 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
[not found] ` <CAL4LZyjmBSx3KV3tOyaPBMoT2CNqXPs6ZGd89S7UYQ1E5Ewy2A@mail.gmail.c>
2012-05-31 18:49 ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-31 18:55 ` Burton Samograd
2012-05-31 19:01 ` tlaronde
2012-06-03 1:12 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-03 1:33 ` Connor Lane Smith
2012-06-04 2:48 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-04 3:15 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-04 4:01 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-04 12:42 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-08 8:56 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-08 13:58 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-08 14:58 ` David Leimbach
2012-06-08 15:22 ` Gorka Guardiola
2012-06-08 15:27 ` David Leimbach
[not found] ` <CAJJ04x7Gd1sLizxnp9RT=45G5rGCYA3ygn-ebLvSSBW+UwOdtA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-06-08 15:44 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-08 20:15 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-09 6:00 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-09 13:23 ` cinap_lenrek
2012-06-09 13:59 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-09 14:28 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-09 14:51 ` Lucio De Re
2012-06-09 15:51 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-09 14:29 ` Lucio De Re
2012-06-09 15:37 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-06-09 15:49 ` Lucio De Re
2012-06-09 15:53 ` Lucio De Re
2012-06-09 16:31 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-06-09 16:52 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-09 17:37 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-09 18:11 ` hiro
2012-06-09 18:28 ` Matthew Veety
2012-06-09 19:03 ` andrey mirtchovski
2012-06-10 6:27 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-10 6:31 ` andrey mirtchovski
2012-06-10 12:27 ` hiro
2012-06-11 8:54 ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-06-09 15:44 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-08 21:05 ` David Leimbach
2012-06-09 13:52 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
[not found] ` <CAJJ04x5EB7SJ2jijr=xgYf18CghUuoK9JOf9VbbTrVtDsh2YMw@mail.gmail.c>
2012-06-09 0:20 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-10 19:07 ` David Leimbach
2012-06-03 1:40 ` Stephen Wiley
2012-06-03 1:53 ` Connor Lane Smith
2012-06-03 4:03 ` Bruce Ellis
2012-06-03 9:40 ` Connor Lane Smith
2012-06-04 2:51 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
[not found] ` <CAMdzYRojKQrNWg11b=nFw8hkg6KV6VQA5xgjbn8Z6K=K+adkPQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-06-03 1:46 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-03 8:34 ` Richard Miller
2012-05-30 17:36 ` Bakul Shah
2012-05-30 17:41 ` sl
2012-05-31 4:11 ` Lucio De Re
2012-06-01 20:40 Antonio Barrones
2012-06-03 0:31 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-03 0:43 ` Bakul Shah
2012-06-03 1:23 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-06-03 1:49 ` erik quanstrom
2012-06-09 16:10 Jason Catena
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