* [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes @ 2007-08-03 3:58 john 2007-08-03 10:04 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-08-03 10:36 ` Lucio De Re 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: john @ 2007-08-03 3:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Well, this is incidental to the "google.com job search" thread... In my efforts to see what exactly they have to offer anyway, I'm trying to send an email from my vmware Plan 9 terminal. However, when I try to send the reply, I get this back: Your request "smtp net@google.com alicec" failed (code smtp 663: Permanent Failure). The symptom was: Thu Aug 2 17:19:49 HST 2007 connect to net!google.com: 553 5.3.0 REJECT # home users == spam relays Is this my own mail system rejecting me, or what? I'm not very well-versed in smtp-foo. Also, what's the deal with the utterly and completely broken snarfing and pasting under vmware? I run aux/vmware in my lib/profile, which I thought was supposed to fix it, but I had to hand-type the above error because the damn thing is too broken to actually copy and paste it. John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-03 3:58 [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes john @ 2007-08-03 10:04 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-08-03 4:09 ` john 2007-08-03 10:36 ` Lucio De Re 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-03 10:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs hello I suppose thats a google reject, use the smtp relay from your provider in smtpd configuration (see /mail/lib/smtpd.direct and smtpd.gateway iirc) gabi On 8/3/07, john@csplan9.rit.edu <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: > Well, this is incidental to the "google.com job search" thread... > In my efforts to see what exactly they have to offer anyway, I'm > trying to send an email from my vmware Plan 9 terminal. However, > when I try to send the reply, I get this back: > > Your request "smtp net@google.com alicec" failed (code smtp 663: Permanent Failure). > The symptom was: > > Thu Aug 2 17:19:49 HST 2007 connect to net!google.com: > 553 5.3.0 REJECT # home users == spam relays > > > Is this my own mail system rejecting me, or what? I'm not very > well-versed in smtp-foo. > > Also, what's the deal with the utterly and completely broken snarfing > and pasting under vmware? I run aux/vmware in my lib/profile, which > I thought was supposed to fix it, but I had to hand-type the above > error because the damn thing is too broken to actually copy and > paste it. > > > John > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-03 10:04 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-03 4:09 ` john 2007-08-03 10:24 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-08-03 10:38 ` Lucio De Re 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: john @ 2007-08-03 4:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Strangely, though, I don't seem to get the reject when I send the exact same message from drawterm, which is why I thought it might be on my end. John > hello > > I suppose thats a google reject, use the smtp relay from your provider > in smtpd configuration (see /mail/lib/smtpd.direct and smtpd.gateway > iirc) > > gabi > > > On 8/3/07, john@csplan9.rit.edu <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: >> Well, this is incidental to the "google.com job search" thread... >> In my efforts to see what exactly they have to offer anyway, I'm >> trying to send an email from my vmware Plan 9 terminal. However, >> when I try to send the reply, I get this back: >> >> Your request "smtp net@google.com alicec" failed (code smtp 663: Permanent Failure). >> The symptom was: >> >> Thu Aug 2 17:19:49 HST 2007 connect to net!google.com: >> 553 5.3.0 REJECT # home users == spam relays >> >> >> Is this my own mail system rejecting me, or what? I'm not very >> well-versed in smtp-foo. >> >> Also, what's the deal with the utterly and completely broken snarfing >> and pasting under vmware? I run aux/vmware in my lib/profile, which >> I thought was supposed to fix it, but I had to hand-type the above >> error because the damn thing is too broken to actually copy and >> paste it. >> >> >> John >> >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-03 4:09 ` john @ 2007-08-03 10:24 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-08-03 4:41 ` john 2007-08-03 10:38 ` Lucio De Re 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-03 10:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs hello what's exactly your setup? a vmware terminal on your dsl at home sending mail through your plan9 server elsewhere? may be your vmware is trying to send email directly instead of contacting your other server? gabi On 8/3/07, john@csplan9.rit.edu <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: > > Strangely, though, I don't seem to get the reject when I send > the exact same message from drawterm, which is why I thought it might > be on my end. > > John > > > hello > > > > I suppose thats a google reject, use the smtp relay from your provider > > in smtpd configuration (see /mail/lib/smtpd.direct and smtpd.gateway > > iirc) > > > > gabi > > > > > > On 8/3/07, john@csplan9.rit.edu <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: > >> Well, this is incidental to the "google.com job search" thread... > >> In my efforts to see what exactly they have to offer anyway, I'm > >> trying to send an email from my vmware Plan 9 terminal. However, > >> when I try to send the reply, I get this back: > >> > >> Your request "smtp net@google.com alicec" failed (code smtp 663: Permanent Failure). > >> The symptom was: > >> > >> Thu Aug 2 17:19:49 HST 2007 connect to net!google.com: > >> 553 5.3.0 REJECT # home users == spam relays > >> > >> > >> Is this my own mail system rejecting me, or what? I'm not very > >> well-versed in smtp-foo. > >> > >> Also, what's the deal with the utterly and completely broken snarfing > >> and pasting under vmware? I run aux/vmware in my lib/profile, which > >> I thought was supposed to fix it, but I had to hand-type the above > >> error because the damn thing is too broken to actually copy and > >> paste it. > >> > >> > >> John > >> > >> > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-03 10:24 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-03 4:41 ` john 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: john @ 2007-08-03 4:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Yeah, that's the setup. The server is at the Rochester Institute of Technology; I was connecting with drawterm but a vmware terminal is muuuuch better to use in my opinion. I did consider that maybe vmware is trying to send email directly; I guess I'll have to look more closely at that. John > hello > > what's exactly your setup? a vmware terminal on your dsl at home > sending mail through your plan9 server elsewhere? > > may be your vmware is trying to send email directly instead of > contacting your other server? > > gabi > > > On 8/3/07, john@csplan9.rit.edu <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: >> >> Strangely, though, I don't seem to get the reject when I send >> the exact same message from drawterm, which is why I thought it might >> be on my end. >> >> John >> >> > hello >> > >> > I suppose thats a google reject, use the smtp relay from your provider >> > in smtpd configuration (see /mail/lib/smtpd.direct and smtpd.gateway >> > iirc) >> > >> > gabi >> > >> > >> > On 8/3/07, john@csplan9.rit.edu <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: >> >> Well, this is incidental to the "google.com job search" thread... >> >> In my efforts to see what exactly they have to offer anyway, I'm >> >> trying to send an email from my vmware Plan 9 terminal. However, >> >> when I try to send the reply, I get this back: >> >> >> >> Your request "smtp net@google.com alicec" failed (code smtp 663: Permanent Failure). >> >> The symptom was: >> >> >> >> Thu Aug 2 17:19:49 HST 2007 connect to net!google.com: >> >> 553 5.3.0 REJECT # home users == spam relays >> >> >> >> >> >> Is this my own mail system rejecting me, or what? I'm not very >> >> well-versed in smtp-foo. >> >> >> >> Also, what's the deal with the utterly and completely broken snarfing >> >> and pasting under vmware? I run aux/vmware in my lib/profile, which >> >> I thought was supposed to fix it, but I had to hand-type the above >> >> error because the damn thing is too broken to actually copy and >> >> paste it. >> >> >> >> >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-03 4:09 ` john 2007-08-03 10:24 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-03 10:38 ` Lucio De Re 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-03 10:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Strangely, though, I don't seem to get the reject when I send > the exact same message from drawterm, which is why I thought it might > be on my end. Drawterm to where? My guess is that you have two very differently configured mail "exchangers" and the VMware one should more closely resemble the one you access with drawterm. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-03 3:58 [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes john 2007-08-03 10:04 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-03 10:36 ` Lucio De Re 2007-08-03 11:14 ` Gabriel Diaz 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-03 10:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Is this my own mail system rejecting me, or what? I'm not very > well-versed in smtp-foo. > No, it's google rejecting mail (I presume) from what I like to call a "leaf" Internet node. You must configure your mail to go to the SMTP server provided by the ISP that assigned you your IP address. > Also, what's the deal with the utterly and completely broken snarfing > and pasting under vmware? I run aux/vmware in my lib/profile, which > I thought was supposed to fix it, but I had to hand-type the above > error because the damn thing is too broken to actually copy and > paste it. I'd like to know the answer to that as well, but only from an academic perspective right now. Maybe in the future I'll need VMware to provide me with my primary Plan 9 service. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-03 10:36 ` Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-03 11:14 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-08-04 9:07 ` Lucio De Re 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-03 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lucio De Re, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs hello afaik the problem with vmware was the lack of documentation about their system, aux/vmware is outdated and doesn't work well on newer versions (>4.2 iirc) but taking in account all the efforts done by Ron and others on supporting virtual machines, i suppose is better to use qemu, xen, lguest, etc. and provide them with feedback. slds gabi > > I'd like to know the answer to that as well, but only from an academic > perspective right now. Maybe in the future I'll need VMware to > provide me with my primary Plan 9 service. > > ++L > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-03 11:14 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-04 9:07 ` Lucio De Re 2007-08-04 9:39 ` Gabriel Diaz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-04 9:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > but taking in account all the efforts done by Ron and others on > supporting virtual machines, i suppose is better to use qemu, xen, > lguest, etc. and provide them with feedback. The philosophy here varies from the pragmatism of what works so that I can have what I need (VMware server works almost adequately on top of Ubuntu Feisty, practically out of the box) to what is good for human kind (Xen has lost direction and is trying to become VMware, lguest looks promising, specially as Rusty seems to have a direct beeline to Linus, but it's too closely coupled to Linux, etc., and you need an army of elves to track either) with numerous shades of grey in between. Then, there is my personal desire to, preferably, have a virtualiser lying below the operating system (no host "domain" - did I mention that I'll never get over the initial aversion to Xen that stemmed from needing Python to get it to work?) or, if nothing else applies, to make Plan 9 the host OS and, in either case, standardising on the Plan 9 device driver model for all Open Source operating systems. There I think Xen has a point, maybe lguest also does: Xen is certainly compelling all OSOS developers to relook at the platform and Machine Independence in a new light. For that, I believe we ought to thank VMware, but Xen is effectively twisting everybody's arm. Not that this subtracts anything from Ron's efforts, quite the contrary, but the broader the scope, the more likely we are to come up with a generic solution. One that resembles what IBM did right more than thirty years ago. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-04 9:07 ` Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-04 9:39 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-08-04 10:00 ` Lucio De Re 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-04 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lucio De Re, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs hello then use qemu, it works on various platforms and works just like vmware does i think :) slds. gabi On 8/4/07, Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote: > > but taking in account all the efforts done by Ron and others on > > supporting virtual machines, i suppose is better to use qemu, xen, > > lguest, etc. and provide them with feedback. > > The philosophy here varies from the pragmatism of what works so that I > can have what I need (VMware server works almost adequately on top of > Ubuntu Feisty, practically out of the box) to what is good for human > kind (Xen has lost direction and is trying to become VMware, lguest > looks promising, specially as Rusty seems to have a direct beeline to > Linus, but it's too closely coupled to Linux, etc., and you need an > army of elves to track either) with numerous shades of grey in > between. > > Then, there is my personal desire to, preferably, have a virtualiser > lying below the operating system (no host "domain" - did I mention > that I'll never get over the initial aversion to Xen that stemmed from > needing Python to get it to work?) or, if nothing else applies, to > make Plan 9 the host OS and, in either case, standardising on the Plan > 9 device driver model for all Open Source operating systems. > > There I think Xen has a point, maybe lguest also does: Xen is > certainly compelling all OSOS developers to relook at the platform and > Machine Independence in a new light. For that, I believe we ought to > thank VMware, but Xen is effectively twisting everybody's arm. > > Not that this subtracts anything from Ron's efforts, quite the > contrary, but the broader the scope, the more likely we are to come up > with a generic solution. One that resembles what IBM did right more > than thirty years ago. > > ++L > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-04 9:39 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-04 10:00 ` Lucio De Re 2007-08-04 4:06 ` john 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-04 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > then use qemu, it works on various platforms and works just like > vmware does i think :) I did, but it was VMware server that (sort of) won the day. As I use it exclusively to demonstrate the existence of Plan 9 and/or the concept of virtualisation, that sufficed. I forget now what I did with QEMU (I have upgraded from Dapper to Feisty on my laptop since then) but I couldn't get kqemu going on Dapper, so I gave it short change. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-04 10:00 ` Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-04 4:06 ` john 2007-08-04 10:13 ` Lucio De Re 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: john @ 2007-08-04 4:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lucio, 9fans >> then use qemu, it works on various platforms and works just like >> vmware does i think :) > > I did, but it was VMware server that (sort of) won the day. As I use > it exclusively to demonstrate the existence of Plan 9 and/or the > concept of virtualisation, that sufficed. I forget now what I did > with QEMU (I have upgraded from Dapper to Feisty on my laptop since > then) but I couldn't get kqemu going on Dapper, so I gave it short > change. > > ++L I have never bothered getting kqemu going under Linux, and recently I've been stuck using only Windows, so the choice is plain qemu or VMWare Server. VMWare seems a bit faster than qemu, and I've had better luck getting good video quality from it. I've yet to get qemu running at a decent resolution in anything but 8-bit mode, while VMWare works great at 1280x1024x24. John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-04 4:06 ` john @ 2007-08-04 10:13 ` Lucio De Re 2007-08-04 4:21 ` john 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-04 10:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > I have never bothered getting kqemu going under Linux, and recently > I've been stuck using only Windows, so the choice is plain qemu or > VMWare Server. VMWare seems a bit faster than qemu, and I've had > better luck getting good video quality from it. I've yet to get qemu running > at a decent resolution in anything but 8-bit mode, while VMWare works > great at 1280x1024x24. No trouble with the snarf buffer? I can't get it to respond to mouse clicks sensibly. I'm not a good witness when it comes to describing the symptoms though? Makes ACME pretty useless though, I'm not sure about SAM, I haven't thought of trying it until now. And that does not include the X copy/paste buffer, I have tried unsuccesfully to use it, but I have managed a long time without it under VNC, so I'm not too phased by that. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] can't send mail, sometimes 2007-08-04 10:13 ` Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-04 4:21 ` john 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: john @ 2007-08-04 4:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lucio, 9fans >> I have never bothered getting kqemu going under Linux, and recently >> I've been stuck using only Windows, so the choice is plain qemu or >> VMWare Server. VMWare seems a bit faster than qemu, and I've had >> better luck getting good video quality from it. I've yet to get qemu running >> at a decent resolution in anything but 8-bit mode, while VMWare works >> great at 1280x1024x24. > > No trouble with the snarf buffer? I can't get it to respond to mouse > clicks sensibly. I'm not a good witness when it comes to describing > the symptoms though? > > Makes ACME pretty useless though, I'm not sure about SAM, I haven't > thought of trying it until now. > > And that does not include the X copy/paste buffer, I have tried > unsuccesfully to use it, but I have managed a long time without it > under VNC, so I'm not too phased by that. > > ++L Well yes, the snarf paste buffer is essentially useless. I manage okay, though, even if it is extremely annoying sometimes. John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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