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From: Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] rc vs sh
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:26:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f75570880776a6235981eed7bc995de0@proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120830093451.GA424@polynum.com>

> But as I said, this is not to argument about Go developers' choices:
> they do as they see fit

I think their philosophy is sound, not just an arbitrary choice.  The
alternative is a commitment that can only be fulfilled by applying
resources best utilised on the focal issue.

For example, the kerTeX installation relies on an ftp client that
accepts a URL on the command line.  My UBUNTU installation has no such
ftp command.  That leaves you with the choice between driving the more
conventional ftp program with a small script (not nice, but it can be
done) or require (as you do for LEX and YACC) that wget be installed
everywhere, not just where ftp isn't of the neat BSD variety.

It's a choice you make on behalf of the user and you can be sure that
a significant portion of your target market would prefer the opposite.
A very small portion will also stand up and criticise you if you go
the wget rule, whereas it is much harder to challenge the use of ftp
with a script.  However, of the two, wget is more robust.

That's the way it is.  Sometimes one has the luxury of doing things
properly, sometimes it is more critical to arrive at a result first.
A healthy ethos would encourage tidying up behind one, but the costs
are seldom justified in the present development climate.  Future
conditions may be different and perhaps we can then all feel justified
in chipping in to tidy up behind our less tidy pioneers.

++L




  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-30 10:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-28  8:57 Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28  9:47 ` hiro
2012-08-28  9:52 ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 10:27   ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28 13:07   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 13:40     ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28 14:10       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 14:13         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 14:52           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:05             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:18               ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 15:30                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:45                   ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 17:43                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:20                       ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 18:26                         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:39                           ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 18:47                             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 20:42                             ` Jeremy Jackins
2012-08-28 21:20                               ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 20:40                   ` Uriel
2012-08-28 15:36               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:35                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:41                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 15:47                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 16:04                       ` hiro
2012-08-28 16:05                   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 17:46                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:19                       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 18:18                         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 20:44                   ` Uriel
2012-08-31 22:24                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-31 23:00                       ` Uriel
2012-08-31 23:15                         ` hiro
2012-08-31 23:56                           ` Matthew Veety
2012-09-02 15:20                             ` suharik
     [not found]                             ` <CAF9FGtS9xYBNzneNPs2eBkkqVGzn5V0FjdEWDYs_EaUu0waRvQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-02 17:25                               ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-02 20:40                                 ` suharik
2012-09-03  7:31                                 ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-09-03  8:22                                   ` dexen deVries
2012-09-03 10:04                                   ` suharik
2012-09-03 10:57                                     ` hiro
     [not found]                                 ` <CAF9FGtRdcFuuefr4q0zFBrkwaQ5a_-w4J-=xqo-MYp+phjQBaA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-03 13:42                                   ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                                 ` <CAF9FGtTFskxpVd_CxGEKpRwfSihVjyREqWwFCmjiWksCKZoDvg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-03 13:46                                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-10-25 13:36                                     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-10-25 13:48                                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-03  8:32                         ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-08-28 16:06             ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 16:12               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-08-28 16:32                 ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 20:43                 ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 18:13               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30  6:14                 ` arnold
2012-08-30  7:41                   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30  9:34                     ` tlaronde
2012-08-30 10:26                       ` Lucio De Re [this message]
2012-08-30 10:29                         ` tlaronde
2012-08-30 10:50                           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 10:35                         ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 14:16         ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 14:58           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 14:16         ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 14:23           ` hiro
2012-08-28 14:34             ` hiro
2012-08-29  9:16   ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-08-29 15:10     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-29 15:22       ` hiro
2012-08-29 15:34         ` Charles Forsyth
2012-10-25 13:45       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-10-25 13:56       ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 15:09 ` Dan Cross
     [not found] ` <CAEoi9W6K07ZgNS+7-oeQY3dkedW7qZLnOh79m5J7KCw7os5aEQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-28 15:26   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 15:40     ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:34       ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 18:24     ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 18:44       ` [9fans] rc's shortcomings (new subject line) erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 19:34         ` dexen deVries
2012-08-29  0:06           ` arisawa
2012-08-29  8:12             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 19:41         ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 20:14           ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  1:39             ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  1:43               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  2:13               ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  2:23                 ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  2:44                   ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  4:28                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 20:31           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-09-04 17:27           ` 😜
2012-08-28 19:53         ` Bakul Shah
     [not found]         ` <CAEoi9W5bZE+coAaQA-Be4P_JQoB6TR31GS=gYhq=6BhHNXCRKw@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-28 20:34           ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 22:46             ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  1:28               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  8:09             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-29  8:38             ` Dan Cross
     [not found]             ` <CAEoi9W5_r=4w5EcdrbKuqD566p=C5KvEEHg72YKzdat18En2-w@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-29 13:57               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29 15:07                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 10:05                 ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 10:43                   ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 13:41                   ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 13:47                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:26                       ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 14:29                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:24                     ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                     ` <CAEoi9W6NL-zGryJnMrAX3B77bk1bOEMfkv_R7M4W052LZR4yrg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:26                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:33                         ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                         ` <CAEoi9W45W0pK7MA2FvxsCVCuRcqw-JxOiEn+JQtWMo0rFcSEpg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:41                           ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:48                             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 15:11                               ` sl
2012-08-30 15:13                               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 15:07                                 ` Burton Samograd
2012-08-30 15:13                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 15:14                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 17:02                   ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-30 17:18                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 20:06                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5jQxJCs64ZjrXp1mU0zTUTG6p7VXYX5ykwQ8OmFATLirg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 20:10                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                 ` <CAEoi9W6c2JaxrTDwR76TjuN9DeBXnO6gueOGCaEh+Fksfb9zqQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 13:33                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:21                     ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 14:25                       ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 14:45                     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 14:55                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAEoi9W5AagpdK4aZCYs5tSMESU3yoMe9bmgX3GcphTcYuMq9kQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:34                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:44                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5i-JO=bOS8h+S0zdWghCWhSN36uFebMYnzvs=fdNQgA+g@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-31  1:33                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-10-25 14:56 ` [9fans] rc vs sh Ethan Burns
2012-10-25 15:08   ` hiro
2012-10-25 17:02     ` Gorka Guardiola
2012-10-25 17:18       ` Matthew Veety
2012-10-25 17:26         ` John Floren
2012-10-25 19:03           ` hiro
2012-10-25 19:08     ` Skip Tavakkolian

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