9fans - fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: lucio@proxima.alt.za
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:40:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f9bf3bd51c8ef668768b867303328f0d@proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8ea6a210ff3a1dccd1ba45e51fe924f2@coraid.com>

> i too am both curious as to the motivations for VM and completely open
> minded with no preconceived notions about VM. except my aversion to
> hype.  but hype is independent from the quality of an idea.

I understood that IBM's motive for VM was to allow different OSes to
co-exist on a single hardware platform.  That the same OS also managed
to co-exist with multiple instances of itself was an added bonus and
greatly simplified the multitasking process.

Basically, there were radical incompatibilies between successive OS
releases from IBM (you may recall those days as being a quick
succession of software discoveries/inventions, unmatched by recent
developments) and IBM could not compel users to rewrite their
applications, no matter how exciting the new platform.  In fact, I
suspect IBM themselves made good use of the backwards compatibility
they provided with VM.

By providing VM capabilities _at_the_hardware_level_ IBM could entice
customers to upgrade and thus appreciate the improvements in the newer
equipment.  The enormous investment of man power as well as
intellectual effort involved in producing custom applications made
this critical.

We live in a different world, today, with disposable equipment on
every desk.  But there is a price tag and it's not just higher
electricity bills.  For example, disk warranties.  Ten years ago you
could buy a 2 Gig drive with a lifetime guarantee (rough guess, I
can't recall very accurately that far back), now you _expect_ you 320
Gig drive to pack up on you within two years.  What happens to the 320
Gig of data you entrusted to the drive, then?

I would much rather have a single, reliable computer with the
essential instruction set (I'm not exclusively sold on RISC, but I do
think it makes a lot more sense) and replaceable peripherals than
invest in the latest, greatest Wintel box with the fanciest, most
irrelevant multimedia instruction set in the dual-core CPU and a
Winmodem for my Internet connectivity :-(

But ranting isn't going to help.

++L



  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-28 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-16  3:07 [9fans] vmware 5.0 Tim Newsham
2005-08-21 20:17 ` Russ Cox
2005-08-23  8:30   ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 17:44     ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-23 17:54       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 18:55       ` Steve Simon
2005-08-23 19:07         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-08-23 19:28           ` Scott Stout
2005-08-23 19:38             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-08-23 19:26         ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-23 12:34           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 20:25             ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-24 12:07               ` Francisco Ballesteros
2005-08-24 15:34                 ` LiteStar numnums
2005-08-23 19:48           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2005-08-23 19:54             ` [9fans] procreate vs threadcreate? rattan
2005-08-23 19:58               ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-23 20:00               ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-08-23 20:02               ` Russ Cox
2005-08-25  2:41             ` [9fans] vmware 5.0 Martin C. Atkins
2005-08-25  4:38               ` Tim Newsham
2005-08-27  9:53               ` Vester Thacker
2005-08-27 10:01                 ` Vester Thacker
2005-08-27 12:35                 ` Jun OKAJIMA
2005-08-27 14:01                   ` [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0) Jun OKAJIMA
2005-08-27 15:47                     ` kokamoto
2005-08-27 17:33                       ` Steve Simon
2005-08-28  1:22                       ` kokamoto
2005-08-28 12:04                         ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-28 12:40                           ` lucio [this message]
2005-08-28 14:24                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 13:40                           ` Martin Harriss
2005-08-28 14:25                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 16:27                               ` kokamoto
2005-08-28 16:43                                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 14:19                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 18:18                           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2005-08-29  0:06                             ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-31 15:01                           ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-31 17:19                             ` McLone
2005-09-01  3:59                               ` [9fans] ndis-ulator for plan 9 Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01  7:31                                 ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-01  7:39                                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-09-01  8:08                                     ` balaji
2005-09-01 15:03                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01 15:34                                     ` McLone
2005-09-01 15:40                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-02 16:02                                         ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-03 11:41                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-03 15:20                                           ` lucio
2005-09-03 15:21                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-03 15:40                                             ` Russ Cox
2005-09-04 15:28                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-05  5:42                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-06  4:16                                                 ` David Leimbach
2005-09-01 16:28                                     ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-01 19:35                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01 21:30                                         ` Devon O'Dell
2005-09-03 17:34                                 ` Jack Johnson
2005-09-21 18:35                                 ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-21 18:46                                   ` Uriel
2005-09-21 19:14                                     ` Russ Cox
2005-09-21 19:33                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-21 19:36                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-21 20:04                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-21 22:51                                           ` David Leimbach
2005-09-21 23:05                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-22  1:26                                               ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-09-22  2:40                                                 ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22  7:58                                               ` Nigel Roles
2005-09-22 13:50                                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-22 14:17                                                   ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 14:20                                                     ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                                                     ` <d49d18945f1d149f28a9290e6ad56f6c@terzarima.net>
2005-09-22 14:40                                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 14:56                                                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-22 15:01                                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 22:53                                                       ` George Michaelson
2005-09-23  9:06                                                         ` Nigel Roles
2005-09-23  7:13                                                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
     [not found]                                             ` <ac600c5a0c06881fc8bf6b5828b8a36b@terzarima.net>
2005-09-22  2:39                                               ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22  3:47                                                 ` Russ Cox
2005-09-21 19:25                                     ` Dave Lukes
2005-08-31 17:52                           ` [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0) Martin C. Atkins
2005-09-01  0:21                             ` Brantley Coile
2005-09-01  3:23                               ` Tim Newsham
2005-09-01 16:34                               ` Harri Haataja
2005-08-28 14:07                       ` Ronald G Minnich

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=f9bf3bd51c8ef668768b867303328f0d@proxima.alt.za \
    --to=lucio@proxima.alt.za \
    --cc=9fans@cse.psu.edu \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).