From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:26:00 -0600 From: "Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Building GCC In-Reply-To: <27F19AF4-00E0-4B56-AE0B-4703B752F7E1@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <787a7ff52756493991792d6cb51d6b34@quanstro.net> <27F19AF4-00E0-4B56-AE0B-4703B752F7E1@mac.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3752c91c-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I think that... We have to take a look at Plan 9 history to realize that it has more to offer than to envy. The whole point of Plan 9, imho, is not to become the everywhere avaliable "me too" OS... More likely it is the "can you do this?" OS. The way information is presented to the user has changed a lot. Everything has become "shiny"... Even writing a boring essay apparently needs 3d shadows and some wobbly windows... And don't get me started with web browsing... I would say that I have seen good uses of interactive animations to show data, regardless of the platform they are built on. I have also seen good use of web standards... And of course many abuses. But anyway... I can't see Plan 9 as an enviroment to "clone" things... It is more like a confortable greenhouse where you can grow new ideas. Perhaps there are new ideas around that anyone can freely try to "plant" inside the greenhouse... But I think that the final purpose should be doing that same thing in a more efficient, beautiful and better way.... I personally can't find a reason to port konqueror to plan 9, but I can think of many reasons to work on abaco... We can learn a lot from quality challenged/impaired software like firefox or konqueror, and we can avoid those mistakes with the elegance that characterizes to the Plan 9 Philosophy. But I am just a moron talking about things I don't really understand. Cheers! On 1/24/08, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:27 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > >> > > dr. wirth can not be accused of software bloat nor of poor > > programming. > > is work is excellent. the oberon system is so spartian there are > > no directories. > > that's just too spartain for me. > > > > I can agree Wirth has improved his ways over the past 20 years, but I > never got Oberon installed. No directories has not been practiced > ever to my memory; the closest I can think of off the top of my head > is the first Macintosh only having directories in / and no > subdirectories. > > > you know, i don't feel like i need to get the world using plan 9. > > it's enough to change myself. > > > > - erik > > The world doesn't need to use Plan 9 - I doubt there is advertising > anymore. But if someone else hears about Plan 9 and doesn't want to > use it because he doesn't find it familiar, he'll probably say the > same thing. I am perfectly comfortable with Plan 9 the way it is, and > I enjoy troff, but the rest of the world may think otherwise. > > This discussion started with me trying to get GCC to work. Now it's > run off into about 3,000 different directions and I don't know much > anymore. I just want to mention that I also tried GCC to see if I > could build Ruby 1.9.0 with it. > >