Re: SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

Re: SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[markp]

| Now I'm solving the "how to get the .awk out of the .ps" problem instead

term% gs -q -dNODISPLAY -dNOBIND -dWRITESYSTEMDICT -dSIMPLE ps2ascii.ps sendout3.ps quit.ps

:)

---mp

Re: SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[matt]

markp@panix.com wrote:

>| Now I'm solving the "how to get the .awk out of the .ps" problem instead
>
>term% gs -q -dNODISPLAY -dNOBIND -dWRITESYSTEMDICT -dSIMPLE ps2ascii.ps sendout3.ps quit.ps
>
>:)
>

was it on purpose that this would extract everything *but* the awk code?

 > The program relies on a not-yet-released version of gawk

I guess I'll have to wait until then, which is a shame because I'm a big
fan of awk and it's derivatives.

But I'm excited about awk and sockets meeting on unix

Re: SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[Aharon Robbins]

In article <3EC94C72.7080304@proweb.co.uk>, matt <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote:
>markp@panix.com wrote:
>
>>| Now I'm solving the "how to get the .awk out of the .ps" problem instead
>>
>>term% gs -q -dNODISPLAY -dNOBIND -dWRITESYSTEMDICT -dSIMPLE ps2ascii.ps
>sendout3.ps quit.ps
>>
>>:)
>
>was it on purpose that this would extract everything *but* the awk code?

I will email you the awk code under separate cover, later today.
Or I can put it up for http if enough people want it.

> > The program relies on a not-yet-released version of gawk
>
>I guess I'll have to wait until then, which is a shame because I'm a big
>fan of awk and it's derivatives.

Remember that I said that in 1999.  Current gawk supports sockets.
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gawk/gawk-3.1.2.tar.gz.  3.1.3 will be out, I hope,
soon.  In the meantime, enjoy.

Arnold
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Re: SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[boyd, rounin]

> Current gawk supports sockets.

progress?

    http://www.midnightoil.com/music/album-species.html#progress

Re: SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[Aharon Robbins]

In article <016501c31ec3$9ce03060$e3944251@insultant.net>,
boyd, rounin <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote:
>> Current gawk supports sockets.
>
>progress?
>
>    http://www.midnightoil.com/music/album-species.html#progress

Why don't you check out www.tuhs.org?  There are lots of PDP-11 and Vax
emulators available, and you can go back to running straight V7 exactly
as Ken and Dennis bequeathed it to you from On High.

You can probably even pick up real PDP-11 hardware pretty cheap these
days, too.
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Re: SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[markp]

| was it on purpose that this would extract everything *but* the awk code?

oops. no. :/

Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[Andrew]

On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 09:21:07PM +0200, boyd, rounin wrote:
> > "Life With Qmail"
>
> oxymoron
>
maybe Im going to look stupid for asking this, but whats wrong with
qmail? Sure its a unix tool, and djb isnt always the nicest guy in the
world, but it seems to work pretty darn well, compared with
say...sendmail.

Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[Dan Cross]

> > oxymoron
>
> maybe Im going to look stupid for asking this, but whats wrong with
> qmail? Sure its a unix tool, and djb isnt always the nicest guy in the
> world, but it seems to work pretty darn well, compared with
> say...sendmail.

Qmail is okay.  The biggest single problem with it is that DJB is
firmly convinced that the thing to do is avoid latency, because SMTP is
slow.  So, he opens up many TCP connections to a single remote server
at once.  The result is that the remote server can get severely
overloaded, which makes it defer delivery.  You end up with this
happening in a slowly attenuating cycle, which can actually increase
latency.  Maybe this has been fixed with a qmail patch; I don't know.

Postfix solves this problem by using a slow-start style algorithm to
find the point at which it's transfering the most mail to a remote site
in parallel, without overloading it.  You trade a little bit of
increased latency at the beginning for greater efficiency overall.  But
Postfix is getting kind of big and bloated, itself.  :-(

	- Dan C.

SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[Aharon Robbins]

Perhaps a bit off topic, but ... since SMTP came up, if anyone's interested,

	http://www.skeeve.com/sendout3.ps.gz

is the postscript for a small program I wrote (four years ago) using
Gawk and its sockets.  It reads a Unix-style mbox file and sends the
contained messages to an SMTP server for delivery.  I wrote it when my
network connectivity was somewhat more primitive than now.

It's not a sendmail/qmail/postfix replacement by any means, but it may
provide some amusement.

(It's a .ps file since I used literate programming (noweb + latex) to
write the code.)

Enjoy,

Arnold
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Re: SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[matt]

I'm particularly interested as that was a solution I was looking for at
that very moment

Now I'm solving the "how to get the .awk out of the .ps" problem instead

I'm not sure if that wouldn't even be a DMCA violation !


>Perhaps a bit off topic, but ... since SMTP came up, if anyone's interested,
>
>	http://www.skeeve.com/sendout3.ps.gz
>
>is the postscript for a small program I wrote (four years ago) using
>Gawk and its sockets.  It reads a Unix-style mbox file and sends the
>contained messages to an SMTP server for delivery.  I wrote it when my
>network connectivity was somewhat more primitive than now.
>
>It's not a sendmail/qmail/postfix replacement by any means, but it may
>provide some amusement.
>
>(It's a .ps file since I used literate programming (noweb + latex) to
>write the code.)
>
>Enjoy,
>
>Arnold
>
>

Re: SMTP stuff. Was: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts?

[boyd, rounin]

> Perhaps a bit off topic, but ... since SMTP came up, if anyone's interested,
>
> http://www.skeeve.com/sendout3.ps.gz
>

does it grok groups?