Re: [9fans] A newbie question...

["Eris Discordia" <eris.discordia@gmail.com>]

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:59:41 -0000, Anant Narayanan <anant@kix.in> wrote:

> It helps to search the archives before posting. The issues concerning
> GNU or C++ have already been discussed several times before - rekindling
> the flames can only bring the old-timers to respond as they have.
>
> Cheers,
> Anant

You are in the right, or rather you would have been in the right were the
original post about the "aesthetical" aspects of the GNU project and/or
C++, or whether the GNU philosophy is sound. However, Filipp Andronov
asked about the development options available on Plan 9, how they compared
to what she/he has already seen, and whether there were equivalents to
lighten his burden of porting something to Plan 9. A perfectly OK
question, that can, and even should, be asked every once in a while.

What she/he got from Uriel was this:

GNU is bad...

a. ... because it is not Plan 9.
b. ... because I think so.
c. ... because it has loyal followers.
d. ... because it created autoconf.
e. ... because it is Not UNIX.
f. ... because it has popularized a certain toolchain.
g. ... because it does not measure up to Bell Labs in some respect.

Now, these may be valid or not, but they are certainly irrelevant. And
Filipp Andronov said that:

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:44:57 -0000, Filipp Andronov
<filipp.andronov@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmmm, my question was not about new ideological war "GNU vs Plan9".

Other people posted much better, and more helpful, responses, cf.,

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:46:20 -0000, <kokamoto@hera.eonet.ne.jp> wrote:

> C++ has not been included in Plan 9 since the third edition, but the
> source code is available, and Steve Simon has made some updates.
> Once you have abaco the way I said to get it, you also have Federico
> Benavento's contrib system. With it, all you need is
> 	contrib/install steve/cfront
> Otherwise, get contrib with
> 	/n/sources/contrib/fgb/root/rc/bin/contrib/install fgb/contrib
> and then do the above. Then, to compile a C++ program:
> 	c++/8c x.C # considering .C is the C++ extension
> 	c++/8l -o x x.8
> The one thing: don't use
> 	#include <iostream>
> 	using namespace std;
> You will need
> 	#include <iostream.h>
> which does that for you.

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