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From: "Eris Discordia" <eris.discordia@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:30:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.t6n7sdmkc6yvfe@computer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86639420482c8f4a36c4ce9a8822c9e0@coraid.com>

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:04:31 -0000, Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com>
wrote:

> The relocation formats for the 6600 assembler wasn't that complicated,
> much less than coff.  For the Cyber 17/18 the instructions could
> be pc relative and didn't have to be relocated when linked together,
> at least not for the call/return scenario.

I remember the necessity of relocation was not limited to where you had to
link binaries. On the 80286 + MS-DOS combination, lack of virtual memory
hardware (the "real" mode) made relocation inevitable as processes were
not isolated and memory was not multiplexed by the hardware and/or OS.
Without a flat and isolated address space for each process, every
executable had to adjust to where it was being loaded. Hence, the EXE
header and relocation table.

COFF has had to cope with a certain monster dubbed portability; to adapt
to the peculiarities of the many flavors of UNIX (and at least one
Microsoft OS, with MS-COFF). So good it has been practically put out of
business by ELF or... do Plan 9 compilers output COFF object files?

> The 6600 had a field address that was added to the program counter
> to relocate the program.  It also had a field length register to
> make sure you didn't spill off the end.

No far jumps/calls? Was the memory model not segmented?

> All was much simpler than today.

I am actually very grateful for having a flat 32/64 bit address space all
to myself. Even though the curse of managing virtual memory and driving
the associated hardware has been placed on every OS developer, occasional
programmers like me really enjoy the outcome.

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-17 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-13 22:03 [9fans] quote of the day erik quanstrom
2008-02-13 23:08 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-13 23:24 ` [9fans] Google search " dave.l
2008-02-13 23:31   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-13 23:41     ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-13 23:49       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-13 23:59     ` john
2008-02-14  0:04       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-14  6:11         ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-15 17:39         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-02-14 16:45       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-14 17:09         ` john
2008-02-14 17:27           ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-15  9:50             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-15 11:49               ` Alf
2008-02-15 13:15               ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-15 14:56                 ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-15 15:44                   ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-15 16:07                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-15 16:43                       ` maht
2008-02-15 17:35                         ` ron minnich
2008-02-15 18:14                           ` Iruata Souza
2008-02-15 18:37                           ` maht
2008-02-15 17:39                       ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-15 19:05                         ` maht
2008-02-15 20:11                           ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-15 20:18                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-15 20:49                             ` maht
2008-02-16 23:32                               ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-15 23:37                         ` [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-02-15 23:39                           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-15 23:47                             ` Paweł Lasek
2008-02-16  0:23                               ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-16 23:32                                 ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-16 23:41                                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-16 23:49                                   ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-17  0:04                                   ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-17 13:30                                     ` Eris Discordia [this message]
2008-02-17 15:04                                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-17 21:43                                         ` Uriel
2008-02-17 23:58                                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-18  1:54                                             ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-18  3:43                                               ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-18  4:31                                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-18  4:40                                                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18  6:22                                               ` Robert William Fuller
2008-02-18  7:23                                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-18  8:38                                                   ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-22 10:02                                                     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-22 19:35                                                       ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-18  8:30                                                 ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-18  8:44                                                   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-18 18:50                                                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-02-18 21:53                                                   ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
2008-02-18 22:55                                                     ` y i y u s
2008-02-18 23:46                                                       ` Uriel
2008-02-18 22:14                                                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18 22:16                                                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18 22:32                                                       ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-02-20 11:39                                                   ` maht
2008-02-20 17:19                                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-22 10:02                                                     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-22 10:02                                                   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-18 22:13                                                 ` LiteStar numnums
2008-02-18  4:44                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18  4:46                                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18  5:03                                                 ` Uriel
2008-02-17 16:08                                       ` Anthony Sorace
2008-02-17 22:03                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2008-02-22 10:01                                       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-22 14:07                                         ` Iruata Souza
2008-02-22 10:01                                     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-22 10:01                                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-16  8:29                               ` Lluís Batlle
2008-02-17 23:09                                 ` Chad Dougherty
2008-02-18 21:50                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-22 10:02                                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-26 21:30                               ` Paweł Lasek
2008-02-26 22:00                                 ` maht
2008-02-26 22:32                                   ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-26 23:15                                     ` Uriel
2008-02-26 22:33                                   ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-26 22:46                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-27  4:26                                 ` lucio
2008-02-27  6:52                                   ` ron minnich
2008-02-27 17:57                                     ` lucio
2008-02-28  9:33                                     ` Bill Gunshannon
2008-02-28  9:58                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2008-02-28 14:15                                       ` Bill Gunshannon
2008-02-14 17:14         ` [9fans] Google search of the day Eris Discordia
2008-02-14 17:28           ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2008-02-14 20:14             ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-14 20:30               ` Patrick Kristiansen
2008-02-14 20:38                 ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-14 22:09                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-15  9:00                     ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-14 17:51           ` Iruata Souza
2008-02-15  9:31             ` sqweek
2008-02-18  9:48               ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-18  9:57                 ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-02-19  9:17                 ` sqweek
2008-02-19  0:28 [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions Andrew Simmons
2008-02-19  0:39 ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-19  0:43   ` Andrew Simmons
2008-02-19  0:52     ` Uriel
2008-02-19  1:06       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-19  1:33         ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-19  3:18         ` Michaelian Ennis
2008-02-19  3:29           ` Michaelian Ennis
2008-02-19  3:35             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-19  5:18       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-02-19  5:33       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-02-19  4:11   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-20 14:59     ` maht
2008-02-20 15:28     ` Uriel

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