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identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="philip.silva@protonmail.com"; helo=mail-40131.protonmail.ch; client-ip=185.70.40.131 Received: from mail-40131.protonmail.ch (mail-40131.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for <9fans@9fans.net>; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 17:10:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from philip.silva@protonmail.com) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:10:30 +0000 To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Drawterm GPU (was: Software philosophy) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 680d1344-038d-11ec-a7d2-8b6ad19a0c4c Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYWQyOWJmYzIyM2RjNGZiZS1NYzU3MGViNDc3OGJiYjkyZDgzOGM5?= =?UTF-8?B?YjNjPg==?= From: "Philip Silva via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mc570eb4778bbb92d838c9b3c:1:ZdrKJQj8Yoqtn9OGE0hPT0hB02HKkI_XQCzUgoMVTOk Vulkan (at least its promises) looks interesting though. As far as I unders= tand it's more like a Meta API, really low-level and it claims to be very p= ortable. But as mentioned before, the Hello Worlds are really long, apparen= tly it's rather >1000 lines instead of "just" >100 for OpenGL. On the other hand for driver development it might be less effort but seems = to have its own pitfalls. (This is the only article I found about the drive= r aspect of it: https://lwn.net/Articles/702021/) > > But for serious 3d AAA stuff we'd have to consider: Lumen is for next-g= en > > > > GPUs and Nanite for newer GPUs. We'll never reach their quality in > > > > realtime if we don't use the GPU features (built-in rasterizer, ...) to > > > > have enough free power for crazy software calculation. > > By the time any code is written, next-gen GPUs will be > > previous-gen GPUs. > > General compute is what any hardware you buy a few years > > from now will be doing -- and it's far more intersting > > in terms of what capabilities it allows. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tad29bfc223dc4fbe-Mc570e= b4778bbb92d838c9b3c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription