[9front] "init: starting /bin/rc" repeats endlessly when I boot a computer installed from 9front-9931.amd64.iso

[9front] "init: starting /bin/rc" repeats endlessly when I boot a computer installed from 9front-9931.amd64.iso

[Jay F. Shachter]

Esteemed Colleagues:

When I boot my computer into a 9front system that I just installed
from 9front-9931.amd64.iso, it repeats "init: starting /bin/rc"
endlessly.  Is this a known problem?  Is there a known fix?

Specifically: I turn on the computer, wait for the GRUB menu to
appear, interrupt the countdown with "c", and then I type (because I
haven't created a menuentry for it yet):

   set root=(hd0,14)
   chainloader +1
   boot

I then see (what I assume are) the normal startup messages, beginning
with "pbs ........... ok" (I may not have the right number of periods,
it disappears quickly from the screen) and ending with (there may be
typographical errors, I am typing this by hand from the screen):

   /dev/sdE0/9fat   dos
   /dev/sdE0/data
   /dev/sdE0/dos    dos
   /dev/sdE0/fscache         cwfs64x
   /dev/sdE0/fsworm
   /dev/sdE0/linux
   /dev/sdE0/linux1          dos
   /dev/sdE0/linux2
   /dev/sdE0/linuxlvm
   /dev/sdE0/netbsd
   /dev/sdE0/ntfs
   /dev/sdE0/ntfs1
   /dev/sdE0/nvram
   /dev/sdE0/openbsd
   /dev/sdE0/other
   /dev/sdE0/plan9
   /dev/sdE0/sysv386
   /dev/sdE1: HL-DT-STDVD-ROM DU90N D100
   /dev/sdE2:
   /dev/sdE3:
   /dev/sdM0: MMC Host Controller
   /dev/sdM1: MMC Host Controller
   /dev/sdM2: MMC Host Controller
   bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[local!/dev/sdE0/fscache]

with a blinking underline cursor two characters to the right of the
right square bracket.  I then type Enter to accept the default,
whereupon I see:

   user[glenda]:

again with a blinking underline cursor two characters to the right of
the right square bracket.  I type Enter again and then see:

   current fs is "main"
   10 uids read, 3 groups used
   63-bit cwfs as of Sun Jun 25 10:07:41 2023
           last boot Thu Jul 20 20:54:23 2023

   init: starting /bin/rc

   init: starting /bin/rc

   init: starting /bin/rc

   init: starting /bin/rc

   init: starting /bin/rc

   init: starting /bin/rc

repeated endlessly.

Prior to the installation, I used Linux fdisk to create, on an
MBR-partitioned disk, a logical slice within the extended partition
5 gigabytes in size, which is surely big enough for 9front, to which I
gave the 8-bit code 0x39, thus designating it as a Plan 9 disk slice.
The installation was then done by copying 9front-9931.amd64.iso to a
USB stick and sticking the USB stick into the computer and instructing
the BIOS to boot in Legacy mode from the USB device.  I answered the
preliminary questions by typing Enter and accepting the defaults, and
then when rio started up (I think that's the right word -- rio is the
windowing system, yes?) I invoked the inst command.  The installation
went entirely by the book, except that the installer did not ask me to
partition my disk, because it found a 5-gigabyte slice of disk (the
only one I have of that size, so I knew it was the right one) on which
to install.  The only times I asked for anything other than the
default were when I named the computer m5, and when I selected the
US_Central timezone.  I typed "no" when I was asked whether to install
bootcode on the MBR, but that was the default, I just wanted to say it
explicitly.  And the only other time I typed anything other than Enter
during the entire installation was when I typed w and q to accept the
default subpartitioning.

I would suspect an incomplete installation due to a hardware error,
because of events that I shall relate shortly, if not for the fact
that a hardware error is totally implausible.  I have a half-dozen
operating systems installed on this computer, and not one of them
misbehaves, or has ever misbehaved, or has ever given any evidence of
a hardware failure.

Nevertheless, my every attempt to install 9front has failed, except
for the one time it has succeeded, and as far as I know I did nothing
different then than I did on all the other occasions, both before and
since, when it has failed.  When it fails, which as I stated it has
always done -- both when I boot from a USB stick to which
9front-9931.amd64.iso has been copied, and when I boot from a CD to
which 9front-9931.amd64.iso has been copied -- except the one case
when it succeeded, it always fails in the same way.  I boot the
computer from the USB stick, or from the CD, I see a bunch of numbers,
I see other preliminary stuff like:

    cdboot=yes
    mouseport=ask
    monitor=ask
    vgasize=ask
    bootfile=/amd84/9pc64
    boot

I then see something being counted very quickly, then I see

    Plan 9

and then a bunch of other stuff that flies off the screen, culminating
in the list of devices that you saw earlier, and then:

    bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[local!/dev/sdE1/data]

with the same blinking underline cursor that was described earlier.  I
type Enter to accept the default, I then see:

    user[glenda]:

with the blinking underline described earlier, and when I type Enter
again to accept the default, there is a pause of a few seconds, and
then it says

    mount: mount root: I/O read error
    mount /srv/boot /root: mount 2156: mount

and then the list of devices (maybe preceded by other stuff that
quickly flew off the screen), and then the same

    bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[local!/dev/sdE1/data]

prompt as before, and this time there is no "user[glenda]:" prompt
when I type Enter, it returns -- for as many times as I repeat the
procedure -- to the several-second pause, and then to the

    mount: mount root: I/O read error
    mount /srv/boot /root: mount 2156: mount

message as before, except that the number is different, it keeps on
going up.

So, how do I successfully run my already-installed 9front system?  Or,
if I must reinstall it, how do I do that?  I grant that it certainly
looks like a hardware error -- especially since an installation
procedure that usually fails did succeed once, maybe when the hardware
was well-rested and feeling healthy -- but, as I said, this computer
has never shown any evidence of any hardware error, even the smallest.
I would welcome any answer to this question, and I thank you in
advance for any and all replies.

	Jay F. Shachter
	6424 North Whipple Street
	Chicago IL  60645-4111
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Re: [9front] "init: starting /bin/rc" repeats endlessly when I boot a computer installed from 9front-9931.amd64.iso

[qwx]

Hi,

I'm not sure I understand what you did in the second part of your
email, you were trying to reinstall 9front by booting the usb or cd
and that failed?

> [...] I type Enter again and then see:
> 
>    current fs is "main"
>    10 uids read, 3 groups used
>    63-bit cwfs as of Sun Jun 25 10:07:41 2023
>            last boot Thu Jul 20 20:54:23 2023
> 
>    init: starting /bin/rc
> 
>    init: starting /bin/rc
> 
>    init: starting /bin/rc
> 
>    init: starting /bin/rc
> 
>    init: starting /bin/rc
> 
>    init: starting /bin/rc
> 
> repeated endlessly.

For the first part, no, 5gb is not enough if you use cwfs, which by
default splits the partition into 3 slices for cache, worm and other.
Read the documentation on cwfs to know why.  I suspect a borked
installation just because of this.  Either use 10gb or more or switch
to hjfs.  Even 10gb isn't a lot, the worm will fill up quickly.


> I then see something being counted very quickly, then I see
> 
>     Plan 9
> 
> and then a bunch of other stuff that flies off the screen, culminating
> in the list of devices that you saw earlier, and then:
> 
>     bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[local!/dev/sdE1/data]

For the second part, look at bootargs: you have local!/dev/sdE1/data
selected by default, which corresponds to the dvd drive.  Make sure
that the right entry is specified, if the usb drive is inserted, you
should have a /dev/sdU…/data in the list and you should set bootargs
to local!/dev/sdU…/data if it isn't set automatically.  I figure the
I/O read error you get is just because it can't read anything there.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,
qwx

Re: [9front] "init: starting /bin/rc" repeats endlessly when I boot a computer installed from 9front-9931.amd64.iso

[Jay F. Shachter]

Centuries ago, Nostradamus predicted that qwx@sciops.net would write on Fri Jul 21 02:50:49 2023:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure I understand what you did in the second part of your
> email, you were trying to reinstall 9front by booting the usb or cd
> and that failed?
> 

Yes, I was demonstrating a failed installation.  Except for one
successful installation -- and whether it succeeded is debatable,
since it did not result in a bootable system -- every installation I
have attempted, both before and after the debatably successful one,
has failed in the manner shown.  And I do not know what I did
differently, on the occasion when the installation succeeded.

Anyway, I now have a 9front system that repeats "init: starting
/bin/rc" endlessly what it boots.  Has anyone on this mailing list
seen this before?  How do I fix it and obtain a usable system?

                        Jay F. Shachter
                        6424 North Whipple Street
                        Chicago IL  60645-4111
                                (1-773)7613784   landline
                                (1-410)9964737   GoogleVoice
                                jay@m5.chicago.il.us
                                http://m5.chicago.il.us

                        "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur"

Re: [9front] "init: starting /bin/rc" repeats endlessly when I boot a computer installed from 9front-9931.amd64.iso

[Jacob Moody]

On 7/21/23 10:11, Jay F. Shachter wrote:
> 
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus predicted that qwx@sciops.net would write on Fri Jul 21 02:50:49 2023:
> 
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you did in the second part of your
>> email, you were trying to reinstall 9front by booting the usb or cd
>> and that failed?
>>
> 
> Yes, I was demonstrating a failed installation.  Except for one
> successful installation -- and whether it succeeded is debatable,
> since it did not result in a bootable system -- every installation I
> have attempted, both before and after the debatably successful one,
> has failed in the manner shown.  And I do not know what I did
> differently, on the occasion when the installation succeeded.
> 

If you are using a partition under 20G you should be using hjfs.
Cwfs really doesn't play well with small partitions. As qwx mentioned.

Please attempt a fresh install from hjfs with that partition and or
use a partition with > 20G with cwfs.

Thank you,
moody

RE: [9front] "init: starting /bin/rc" repeats endlessly when I boot a computer installed from 9front-9931.amd64.iso

[Dave Woodman]

Hi Jay,

Booting the iso is fairly robust, even on more 'exotic' systems - if the iso
itself does not reliably boot, then there are bigger problems afoot.

Try setting the bios to the defaults and, if you are attempting to install
on a desktop machine, then look at what else may be installed and possibly
pared down.

Also, as  qwx mentioned, 5G is not really enough - you might get away with
using hjfs but not any variation of cwfs.

Regards,
Dave.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay F. Shachter <jay@m5.chicago.il.us> 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 4:11 PM
To: 9front@9front.org
Subject: Re: [9front] "init: starting /bin/rc" repeats endlessly when I boot
a computer installed from 9front-9931.amd64.iso


Centuries ago, Nostradamus predicted that qwx@sciops.net would write on Fri
Jul 21 02:50:49 2023:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure I understand what you did in the second part of your 
> email, you were trying to reinstall 9front by booting the usb or cd 
> and that failed?
> 

Yes, I was demonstrating a failed installation.  Except for one successful
installation -- and whether it succeeded is debatable, since it did not
result in a bootable system -- every installation I have attempted, both
before and after the debatably successful one, has failed in the manner
shown.  And I do not know what I did differently, on the occasion when the
installation succeeded.

Anyway, I now have a 9front system that repeats "init: starting /bin/rc"
endlessly what it boots.  Has anyone on this mailing list seen this before?
How do I fix it and obtain a usable system?

                        Jay F. Shachter
                        6424 North Whipple Street
                        Chicago IL  60645-4111
                                (1-773)7613784   landline
                                (1-410)9964737   GoogleVoice
                                jay@m5.chicago.il.us
                                http://m5.chicago.il.us

                        "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur"