From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <9front-bounces@9front.inri.net> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from 9front.inri.net (9front.inri.net [168.235.81.73]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4863B25C9D for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2024 00:29:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mimir.eigenstate.org ([206.124.132.107]) by 9front; Sun Aug 4 18:25:11 -0400 2024 Received: from mimir.eigenstate.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mimir.eigenstate.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d404b2da for <9front@9front.org>; Sun, 4 Aug 2024 15:25:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=eigenstate.org; h= message-id:to:subject:date:from:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=gTciNcWE7k8B ann3hIsleTVSk3E=; b=fqSzyhC6106TX6gnl+IS0LPeTpRZlAHngCjWl4iyHMKa QP7IPCo8jjI8M46znI142Jl8p++X2Fv5c9uCoI9yfeuCKpWiPyiP2rXQ0NYafPN9 mj6Ll4wtvRv0IdrV/RnOQAnpL+1mAnSS5NG5zaKD3bJVGAXlnE2ZjdZVQ/yJ7sk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=eigenstate.org; h=message-id :to:subject:date:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=aNt68P103nJpVjZ3AxZ MUPUc5lFJ4ptTPhRlyFT+DolWDfYqIJtNlCEsunH4HiO0qxSTKoIZjem6WyPJDhp bSU/ae+fxkRJCme1i2zGzVZ8k1bFf1ZEf89OIwEtkNTJsd0RPw1uMqwb/c2MgLL9 TLrGLglGLN8rAfdO0f10uusQ= Received: from chainsaw.dev ( [172.58.160.34]) by mimir.eigenstate.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d2758f2e (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256:NO) for <9front@9front.org>; Sun, 4 Aug 2024 15:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1128D5CB3B7D4B5B13DA12E39DB7DBF5@eigenstate.org> To: 9front@9front.org Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 18:22:28 -0400 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: <13D04AA4-8C19-4B2A-990E-1F89EA8E614E@icloud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: converged mobile interface base hardware persistence generator Subject: Re: [9front] Thoughts on Wayland? Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk Quoth David Leimbach : > > > > >> > >> While it's theoretically possible to do mmap over 9p, it's not going to > >> be a good experience. > > Is it substantially worse than mmap’ing over NFS? I can imagine a lot of panic or deadlock cases but…. Yeah that’s true for NFS also. At least a core dump. > I'm not familiar enough with the internals of the NFS protocol to say for sure. However, dont' just consider deadlock, consider coherence. What happens if you put a mutex into shm, and two machines try to lock it at the same time? How do you avoid turning every single memory access into a network round trip without some sort of sideband protocol? What happens if a laptop participating in that coherence mechanism gets its lid closed and hibernates for an hour or three, and then comes back?