From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]) by ewsd; Tue Feb 20 08:23:03 EST 2018 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829B921EC6 for <9front@9front.org>; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:22:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=Fv39ACtAY6yso+lcNyrDMhjZJD3+s 652vTG82EsJnWk=; b=ZowxU+IpeFYhMvSEfHG6vxBT1t/TpUZjQpgx3Lvp5iOev RLKGcG3B2h8xySBT1sFZYqOyX+612b5OuJWhwHPTrg79lRRfgZrjZd+XHtbEnfoK SoWlTC+wfy3gYnazcrKmNkALN+J9UUoxdg2o9EFWSg5xOnnHHJKEPSs1CALoxBCu PXjKUr6KOqg4hHnc1f93jBxOQ2Fwc0Wzm2RNBtBSHsfKA3SeEefNEknXYMFQz7cV Woc8FQgAnT8kIOWY8Rdd+vQGlQyqQ8ZhviAy+svv6LYTC54Ony7iYGWPaQMA0m0n 89p4KcqG43dYx+ns7X2mi6suwB2+jNVL05NHhop1g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=Fv39AC tAY6yso+lcNyrDMhjZJD3+s652vTG82EsJnWk=; b=K1B6d1BbgJB/a1LN35C9Vk 8v4AW61jy1mUc1hLhetGCBWEPtAosttB9m9BbWZ/ejFE59Uc1CN/mDS7JdfqmrjZ 3r28XvXzUy8vq6nCokmL3q3P/OZzk8oPNSfHmKYN3IFNrZyiT7K6y7oS585/LlpY tafms9HbW2wgejfF2uM3/Za24XJ776t19ttI9mKoSNP2eL813ZCeIVbmIl6DDzrI 9PZ3wvDFWHbQC/lg4lXav7vXy0NwGhlOOff2XSjahkWlFddZICRAzZnsASjqzEnI f19Bd/dpx9Zdy2Ku7+/SZDW/klJGg31fXqDb6pySMqRtyT0yluPb1eXm/70Ds7tg == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 5F2FA940B4; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:22:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1519132979.611437.1276972552.2B94C77D@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9front@9front.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-1b99b2df Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:22:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9front] Re: TeX References: List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: proven social method rails replication-aware CSS controller On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 9:04 AM, Julius Schmidt wrote: > I have a feeling this is becoming the largest thread in the history of > this list, illustrating the principle that the importance of a change is > inversely proportional to the amount of discussion it creates. I very very nearly added my bit yesterday. Glad I didn't. Oh wait, I'm doing it now. > > To hypocritically add my two cents: > > To me the cryptic references to tex(1) have been one of those Plan 9 > things you stumble upon when you first play with the OS, like the fact > that copying is called "snarf". It's confusing as hell but eventually you > just accept it as it is. I briefly wanted to jump on the bandwagon of zealously removing all unnecessary confusion, "because necessary things are confusing enough already", but then I remembered that neither of these things ever confused me for very long at all. I don't see the problem. These days, I try to fight urges to tidy up all the little things like this, because a lot of the tidying up does no real good and some of it is actually harmful. > > Hence I'm opposed to removing the references. > > If this issue had *any* technical relevance behind it, I might reconsider, > but it does not. > > Maybe we should just copy over emacs(1). > > aiju > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, sl@stanleylieber.com wrote: > > >> do i need some form of entitlement to think? > > > > This has been debated in academia for decades. To some extent, > > privilege is the time and space to think. > > > > sl > > -- The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer