From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26629 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2022 21:29:53 -0000 Received: from 4ess.inri.net (216.126.196.42) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Apr 2022 21:29:53 -0000 Received: from maat.thinktankworkspaces.com ([45.79.94.76]) by 4ess; Sat Apr 2 17:17:47 -0400 2022 Message-ID: <3F94B67DFF22D31E8CA16078AFC80C79@thinktankworkspaces.com> To: 9front@9front.org Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2022 14:17:44 -0700 From: william@thinktankworkspaces.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: rails software-oriented control Subject: [9front] nntp Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone using this? I'm searching for a different news source. Its a sad habit I have in the early morning to pour through news and get hammered with media junk. Perhaps its an addiction. Anything to reduce bias or perhaps nntp is dead. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32030 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2022 22:07:12 -0000 Received: from 4ess.inri.net (216.126.196.42) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Apr 2022 22:07:12 -0000 Received: from 5ess.inri.net ([107.191.111.177]) by 4ess; Sat Apr 2 18:00:02 -0400 2022 Received: from smtpclient.apple ([166.170.221.52]) by 5ess; Sat Apr 2 17:43:24 -0400 2022 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-321BD332-4EFF-46A9-94F2-C68350498F71 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stanley Lieber Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: References: <3F94B67DFF22D31E8CA16078AFC80C79@thinktankworkspaces.com> In-Reply-To: <3F94B67DFF22D31E8CA16078AFC80C79@thinktankworkspaces.com> To: 9front@9front.org Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 17:43:23 -0400 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19E258) List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: private element high-performance SSL over ACPI database CSS rich-client scripting control Subject: Re: [9front] nntp Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail-321BD332-4EFF-46A9-94F2-C68350498F71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.eternal-september.org/ sl > On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:25 PM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFIs anyone using this? I'm searching for a different news source. I= ts a sad habit=20 > I have in the early morning to pour through news and get hammered with med= ia junk.=20 > Perhaps its an addiction. Anything to reduce bias or perhaps nntp is dead.= =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-321BD332-4EFF-46A9-94F2-C68350498F71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:25 PM, william@thinktan= kworkspaces.com wrote:

<= div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFIs anyone using this? I'm searching for a dif= ferent news source. Its a sad habit
I have in the early mor= ning to pour through news and get hammered with media junk.
Perhaps its an addiction. Anything to reduce bias or perhaps nntp is dead. <= /span>

http://man.9front.org/4/nntpfs

http://man.9fro= nt.org/1/newt

<= div dir=3D"ltr">

On Apr 3, 2022, at 6:19 AM, St= eve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFnot sure if it is alread= y in 9front but russ wrote an nntpfs which worked fairly well.

i probably still have the source if it has disappeared.<= /span>

-Steve

On 3 Apr 2022, at 11:04 am, hiro <= ;23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

I'm also somewhat interested in the concept of nntp. A= lthough I never really

used it and would appreciate software= /index advice that is less harmful in

nature.

yes, we'd need our own categories, hiera= rchy, or index. could be
something trivial, just that it mustn't have been automated by the
spammers yet.

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Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 01436F60083; Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:11:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.7.0-alpha0-382-g88b93171a9-fm-20220330.001-g88b93171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3a4850eb-8c88-4b03-9d0a-1b9d82dc7aad@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3F94B67DFF22D31E8CA16078AFC80C79@thinktankworkspaces.com> References: <3F94B67DFF22D31E8CA16078AFC80C79@thinktankworkspaces.com> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 12:11:29 -0400 From: "David Arroyo" To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: package factory-scale ActivityPub software browser dependency database Subject: Re: [9front] nntp Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, at 17:17, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote: > Is anyone using this? I'm searching for a different news source. I only used NNTP after its prime, participating in a few comp.lang.* groups. In 2022, I don't see much difference between an NNTP newsgroup and a mailing list + archive. I've setup sieve filters in my fastmail account that sort mailing list mail into an NNTP-like hierarchy by reversing the domain name. For example, mail on this list goes to `org/9front/9front`. What can NNTP do that can't be done with any mailing list? David From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10022 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2022 07:16:03 -0000 Received: from 4ess.inri.net (216.126.196.42) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Apr 2022 07:16:03 -0000 Received: from mail.v220210179111140164.quicksrv.de ([5.45.100.188]) by 4ess; Mon Apr 4 03:05:06 -0400 2022 Received: from phiax.lan (213-204-48-62.bredband.aland.net [213.204.48.62]) by mail.v220210179111140164.quicksrv.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B639D829C4 for <9front@9front.org>; Mon, 4 Apr 2022 09:04:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <166B798FA5F1B35E40D7D112B731EDA2@pixelheresy.com> To: 9front@9front.org From: "Keith Gibbs" Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2022 10:04:50 +0300 In-Reply-To: <3a4850eb-8c88-4b03-9d0a-1b9d82dc7aad@www.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: basic strategy metadata hypervisor-aware control Subject: Re: [9front] nntp Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk It's not as much a what as a how. NNTP is nice since it is distributed and decentralized. Since it is open and semi-anonymous, it has one flaw, spam. So yeah, many things an ML can do more nicely, but then you have a single point of failure. I have played around with NNTP on 9 and it is kind of cool. I mean, most of the people still using NNTP are probably using it for warez, but that does mean if you subscribe to an NNTP service, the cost is beyond trivial. Not even using it for files, I subscribe to a decent basic services for like $30 a year. Do I get $30 a year of use out of it, no, not yet, but I would love it if we would have an active group and a few groups I do follow I enjoy (and ignore the spam). I am a big advocate for us going back to old standards (finger, irc, nntp, etc.) for many web services and leaning on newer standards that are in the open spirit of the original internet (xmpp, gemini, etc.). Likewise, I think we are really missing opportunities by not looking for open protocol-based solutions rather than the compulsion of looking toward single vendor or web. Anyway, that is my thought. -pixelheresy Quoth David Arroyo : > What can NNTP do that can't be done with any mailing list? > > David