From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: by 10.236.95.4 with SMTP id o4csp96473yhf; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDawdqABRoEPPLpiQ@googlegroups.com> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDawdqABRoEPPLpiQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.20.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.20.51 Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDawdqABRoEPPLpiQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.20.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDawdqABRoEPPLpiQ@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDawdqABRoEPPLpiQ@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.20.51]) by 10.52.20.51 with SMTP id k19mr4282652vde.8.1343660250540 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:to:subject :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QBlBQoYYmxobuhD/pEZ92ya8UhPdkRaccd8y3lAViUo=; b=UZ9+uIuOLeHYwVQWZiLYP1ztpzvIab/5pvGILRiRUDKJiBqDMiXIfFbVuL7MEG44A/ pD6aHIWKNyVwPzAryxGygDKIjUicOIa40055kSnn0f6/VZPOecnzXcSY6PlFXvNtHkJo MLyqte104LDupHn9ZTo6KvOBURmIDEvD44eyo= Received: by 10.52.20.51 with SMTP id k19mr929904vde.8.1343660250474; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: 9front@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.35.202 with SMTP id k10ls3601171vdj.0.gmail; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.33.1 with SMTP id n1mr15600176vdi.4.1343660250129; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.33.1 with SMTP id n1mr15600170vdi.4.1343660250088; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sp.nv ([68.179.143.215]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y20si1416531vdd.0.2012.07.30.07.57.29; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.179.143.215 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of sl@9front.org) client-ip=68.179.143.215; Received: from pi.att ([192.168.4.47]) by sp; Mon Jul 30 09:57:26 CDT 2012 Message-ID: <1c421a0da52eeb6e8ccf98b953fb5205@yourdomain.dom> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:57:19 -0500 From: sl@9front.org To: 9front@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Installing 9front In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: sl@9front.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.179.143.215 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of sl@9front.org) smtp.mail=sl@9front.org Reply-To: 9front@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list 9front@googlegroups.com; contact 9front+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: <9front.googlegroups.com> X-Google-Group-Id: 831096995978 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: 9front@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 4) Yes, there is disk size advice in the Wiki Install page, but why > should I look at the wiki? Anyway the install page is HUGE and is full > of useless screendumps from the installer. Most of the useful bits of > info from that page should just be incorporated into the installer > itself (which anyway already prints too much useless shit, like > endless streams of "config:"). The endless stream of "config:" is just output from the cwfs console as it returns to the prompt ("config:") after each command is performed. Perhaps the output could be run through sed or awk to remove things we don't want to print on the screen. The purpose of the wiki page is to demonstrate a typical install and explain what each step of the process is doing. This is intended to provide some insight for new users into how each necessary piece of the system is configured. I agree, the portions that cover the installer itself are too sparse in some places. If the installer were a bit clearer in some places we could probably do without such an elaborate walkthrough. I decided to include the complete text of the install because I couldn't determine a good way to cut things out without potentially confusing the reader. Which lines, specifically, should be removed? Keep in mind that the purpose of the document is to walk through the install step- by-step, providing some idea of what is happening. Also keep in mind that edits are always welcome. Especially since you are coming to this cold and can see gaps in the documentation we've all been taking as givens. The original wiki page had a bullet point list with six items that essentially just said "insert the cd-rom and boot it and follow the prompts." The complaints about that page were that it was too short and didn't say enough. -sl