From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from feline.systems ([99.23.220.214]) by ur; Wed Feb 10 17:41:40 EST 2016 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:41:34 -0500 From: BurnZeZ@feline.systems To: 9front@9front.org Subject: Re: [9front] syslog(2) change Message-ID: <1f978b238a980348b347e926d3620477@utsuho.znet> In-Reply-To: <5b700121babb21f8e721550f9815085f@ghost.attlocal.net> References: <1270b9585a3e327733049d87e8a08103@utsuho.znet> <50a1e90923c69e7c710766ab431c23a8@utsuho.znet> <1455120937435-0fca18ba-a33032ef-afc32a2e@stanleylieber.com> <68c8b9c471a28126f0ca4ddfb1f8f034@utsuho.znet> <5b700121babb21f8e721550f9815085f@ghost.attlocal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: responsive XML over SQL content-driven hardware On Wed Feb 10 15:28:40 EST 2016, sl@stanleylieber.com wrote: > >> This seems like the obvious question upon which all of this hinges. This is > >> almost certainly a rare case. > > > > I didn't consider this a strange thing to do. Running a bunch of > > nodes from a single install means only maintaining one filesystem. > > Nonetheless, netbooted terminals in a different timezone will have > > the same issue. > > Systems in different timezones sharing an fs is precisely the "rare > case" I was describing. Can you guess why this case is rare? > > sl > I assume latency is the primary reason not to. If you're running a bunch of scripts that are accessing files all over the place, you might have a problem. One useful example I can think of would be having some remote machine that is primarily used as a remote gateway. You're right though, I can see why someone might avoid doing this. On Wed Feb 10 16:08:12 EST 2016, khm@sciops.net wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 09:57:36PM +0100, Julius Schmidt wrote: > > I do much prefer something like yyyy-mm-dd... over burnzez' suggestion. > > If you're going to put timezones in the logfiles, you pretty much have > to use ISO-8601 date formats, and resolve to stick to numeric offsets. > As we're discovering on irc, trying to convert from abbreviations to > meaningul data is a fool's game. Switching to YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS+HH:MM > is the only sane option. > > khm > cirno Feb 9 20:38:55 Hung up on 8.8.8.8; claimed to be fbi.gov cirno 1455068335 Hung up on 8.8.8.8; claimed to be fbi.gov cirno 2016-02-09T20:38:55-0500 Hung up on 8.8.8.8; claimed to be fbi.gov I still prefer the terseness of seconds since the epoch, but ISO-8601 is at least machine readable.