Re: [9front] Enabling a service

[Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org>]

On Tue, 7 May 2024 20:05:21 -0500, Jacob Moody <moody@posixcafe.org> wrote:

> > pick this apart, but this is me telling you what worked and didn't
> > work for me, and i'm happy to answer questions in detail.
> 
> I want to expand this with some of my experiences. I tend to run a
> filesystem on the laptop and just sync file between the FS at home
> and the laptop at regular intervals (typically before I travel) but
> I am home more times than not so my experience is a bit different.
> I tend to keep any code of interest checked in to shithub, that way
> its impossible to be caught without access to what I need. I sync the
> .git and go about my day.
> 

I tend to hack from coffee shops quite often, and don't
sync, but will instead pull things into my namespace,
pop up subrios on my home cpu server, etc.

Contrary to many people's experience, I actually find
that for the kind of latency I get over coffee shop wifi
to my home, remote rio sessions behave fairly well (though
displaying static images is quite painful).

> > 
> >> trying to preserve the labs experience
> > 
> > personally, i don't care at all about preserving the labs experience.
> > we already dumped fossil, made tons of changes.  but before you start
> > proposing all sorts of changes to the system it's important to
> > understand exactly what you're changing.  plan 9 was not designed by
> > idiots, or by accident.  everything that went in is the way it is for
> > a reason.  you may disagree with the reason, but it's important to
> > understand that reason before blowing it off.  and yes, people
> > involved with 9front will challenge you on every little detail,
> > because the details are important, and that's why we're all here.
> > 
> > this isn't linux.
> 
> Laptops are generally outside of the purview of what the labs intended,
> computing has gone in interesting directions. However this is not much of
> hurdle really, people lug around operating systems that would really prefer
> to think of themselves as giant computers running in a dedicated room
> servicing a dozen teletypes. Linux has put a lot of makeup on this pig,
> but you can not change its core design principles. Linux folks make do
> with little hacks here and there to improve the experience, you can likewise
> find whatever fits your fancy for how you'd like to reconcile the world of
> modern computing on to a 9front system. We've gained a fair bit of modern
> conveniences (git), the world is your oyster.
> 
> In general though sl here is right, before we ship something with the system
> we will want to make sure things make sense. We don't shove things in just because
> they can be or because someone has expectations that are not met.

There is an open question about how mobile computers
should fit into a Plan 9; so far, I don't have a good
answer.

I don't think turning every plan 9 machine into an
island is the answer.

-- 
    Ori Bernstein