From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15532 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2022 10:02:15 -0000 Received: from 4ess.inri.net (216.126.196.42) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Feb 2022 10:02:15 -0000 Received: from haggis.mythic-beasts.com ([46.235.224.141]) by 4ess; Sun Feb 13 02:37:52 -0500 2022 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quintile.net; s=mythic-beasts-k1; h=To:Date:Subject:From; bh=sqX+tcdPOYQvmgn0rxwCxc+Nou3kk3qH69mYUmQ33QE=; b=JocaWSWaSMFyAd2JENiIOWmWAy 2aXnvZfMNsNMIewNK+5PgQGympBrbptZAdvna09jEVeUm9TmiCbTIUqYrrtL+qr7WkLl4o9fnMr8A DVvI6kdcYENr3cFDu5ZJ3AfqL5qeOOI+SIhujmq51rLpDyIrM9kFO3y5ZgQdDJNHSNw/ePhgnb27q 7MVFYbbnNujHujkJkdzg8j40Ma1lQUf4VbVwRmUyw7IMS9pZnUfV5lCO8DSGS34ILTg0bwsx0R9C3 uS4W+iYvFvTWWfo1Qml1fX17Q9a07mQr8MdyXlcWmVN8snGMe6BEklUURtl77V1VRmVNAVMifa688 wobTMUiQ==; Received: from [81.187.198.132] (port=62257 helo=smtpclient.apple) by haggis.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1nJ9SA-0000sc-7N for 9front@9front.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 07:37:50 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5F9C5D55-0E7E-40EB-A9CF-66F006F1EAC6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steve Simon Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 07:37:49 +0000 Message-Id: <254948B7-E255-4DAE-AA43-AB413D9D280F@quintile.net> References: In-Reply-To: To: 9front@9front.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19C63) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 4 List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: patented asynchronous lifecycle polling solution Subject: Re: [9front] pi4 wifi and audio Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail-5F9C5D55-0E7E-40EB-A9CF-66F006F1EAC6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable richard miller=E2=80=99s image runs wpa fine - the wpa code is cinap=E2=80=99= s ported from 9front. having said this i found a significant latency on wifi on the pi compared to= wired ether. it was enough to make 9p feel a bit clunky when used to a file= server; so i still use wires. i feel bad i never got to the bottom of the d= elays. -Steve > On 13 Feb 2022, at 3:41 am, Thaddeus Woskowiak wro= te: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > I'd hate to discourage people from putting in effort but just explaining t= he reality.=20 >=20 >> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 8:17 PM wrote: >> Quoth Thaddeus Woskowiak : >> > I don't think Miller's wifi does WPA or any auth. Though I've not ran >> > Miller's pi image in a long time. Miller's wifi driver is also differen= t >> > from 9 front's WiFi driver so it's not a simple port. >> >=20 >> > For good pi audio I use a Dayton USB DAC which outputs pretty clean aud= io. >> >=20 >> > Unfortunately the pi uses a really crummy SoC as it started life as an >> > EoL'd chip for set-top boxes. That's why it does weird crap like boot f= rom >> > the GPU and lacked proper Ethernet for ages. Even Pi founder Ebbon Upto= n >> > was unable to grasp why people wanted proper Ethernet as the pi was onl= y >> > ever meant for teaching. It's an educational toy built from a chip >> > scrounged from the cut out bin but everyone seems to want to ignore tha= t >> > part. You get what you pay for. >> >=20 >> > I tend to prefer cheap embedded PC's off eBay or itx Celeron SoC boards= if >> > I need a small low power system. >> >=20 >> > On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 1:11 PM wrote: >> >=20 >> > > So 9front on pi4 seems pretty stable. But has anyone got audio and wi= fi >> > > working. I recall >> > > reading some place that pi hardware developers kind of deviated from >> > > convention so its a bit >> > > tricky to get some of that stuff working. Perhaps I might also be ask= ing >> > > for some sort of >> > > guide to read on how to build or deal with making drivers in 9front a= nd >> > > some troubleshooting >> > > steps to follow. Ponies and Unicorns I want those also, so yea. >> > > >> >=20 >>=20 >> Interesting. Seems like a lot of wasted effort. Unless as you say using p= i as a teaching >> experiement. So what about hackboard2. Kind of the same specs but Intel. I= 'm wondering if >> it will just boot 9front and work without too much fuss.=20 --Apple-Mail-5F9C5D55-0E7E-40EB-A9CF-66F006F1EAC6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ric= hard miller=E2=80=99s image runs wpa fine - the wpa code is cinap=E2=80=99s p= orted from 9front.

having s= aid this i found a significant latency on wifi on the pi compared to wired e= ther. it was enough to make 9p feel a bit clunky when used to a file server;= so i still use wires. i feel bad i never got to the bottom of the delays.

-Steve


On 13 Feb 2022, at= 3:41 am, Thaddeus Woskowiak <tswoskowiak@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I'd hate to discourage people from putting in effort but just expl= aining the reality. 

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 8:17 PM <thinkta= nkworkspaces@gmail.com> wrote:
Quoth Thaddeus Woskowiak <tswoskowiak@gmail.com>:
= > I don't think Miller's wifi does WPA or any auth. Though I've not ran > Miller's pi image in a long time. Miller's wifi driver is also differen= t
> from 9 front's WiFi driver so it's not a simple port.
>
> For good pi audio I use a Dayton USB DAC which outputs pretty clean aud= io.
>
> Unfortunately the pi uses a really crummy SoC as it started life as an<= br> > EoL'd chip for set-top boxes. That's why it does weird crap like boot f= rom
> the GPU and lacked proper Ethernet for ages. Even Pi founder Ebbon Upto= n
> was unable to grasp why people wanted proper Ethernet as the pi was onl= y
> ever meant for teaching. It's an educational toy built from a chip
> scrounged from the cut out bin but everyone seems to want to ignore tha= t
> part. You get what you pay for.
>
> I tend to prefer cheap embedded PC's off eBay or itx Celeron SoC boards= if
> I need a small low power system.
>
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 1:11 PM <thinktankworkspa= ces@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So 9front on pi4 seems pretty stable. But has anyone got audio and= wifi
> > working. I recall
> > reading some place that pi hardware developers kind of deviated fr= om
> > convention so its a bit
> > tricky to get some of that stuff working. Perhaps I might also be a= sking
> > for some sort of
> > guide to read on how to build or deal with making drivers in 9fron= t and
> > some troubleshooting
> > steps to follow. Ponies and Unicorns I want those also, so yea. > >
>

Interesting. Seems like a lot of wasted effort. Unless as you say using pi a= s a teaching
experiement. So what about hackboard2. Kind of the same specs but Intel. I'm= wondering if
it will just boot 9front and work without too much fuss.
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