From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26963 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2022 16:51:18 -0000 Received: from 9front.inri.net (168.235.81.73) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Nov 2022 16:51:18 -0000 Received: from sirjofri.de ([5.45.105.127]) by 9front; Tue Nov 29 11:50:20 -0500 2022 Received: from dummy.faircode.eu ([95.90.217.122]) by sirjofri.de; Tue Nov 29 17:50:17 +0100 2022 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:50:06 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: sirjofri To: 9front@9front.org Message-ID: <2aa0db47-52f7-4449-8e53-e5f43fade278@sirjofri.de> In-Reply-To: References: <51022878-2dcf-42be-9990-60f2d1475ce5@sirjofri.de> <0df780bc-37c8-4f01-8c40-aa50e83d0573@sirjofri.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Correlation-ID: <2aa0db47-52f7-4449-8e53-e5f43fade278@sirjofri.de> List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: progressive proven session framework Subject: Re: [9front] 9front on the Allwinner A64 Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk 29.11.2022 15:44:31 Kurt H Maier : > Yes, this is what the hellaphone project was, but with inferno.=C2=A0 The > Android pieces were basically hardware enablement and inferno tied into > things like audioflinger.=C2=A0 There was no android UI left running.=C2= =A0 You > instead had a filesystem-based interface to the phone radio etc, with > some basic touch-oriented UI served on top.=C2=A0 It was a similar approa= ch > to Mer's libhybris effort but with inferno doing plan-9-style things > instead of lumping more linux on top. > > I suggest you look at what hellphone did before dismissing it entirely. > I also suggest that before you start developing anything you come to > some kind of definition of what Plan 9 "feels like." I am very aware of what hellaphone did. Probably not that much into detail,= but I really like their approach (besides having Android as a backend and = that I generally don't really like the inferno UI stuff). Also I didn't rea= lly dismiss hellaphone entirely, my response was more towards the other mai= ls in this thread. I can start developing anything I like (as much as you can suggest anything= you like), and surely, looking at what Plan 9 "feels like" is part of that= development. I think it's really hard (if not impossible) to find a definitive definitio= n for that, especially considering "the user factor". But I believe it is n= ecessary to develop something(TM) and give it to testers to see if it match= es their expectations and extract the "Plan 9 feel" from user feedback to f= urther improve. Note that "develop" in this context doesn't mean a finak product, but also = concepts and graphics that can lead to further discussion and improvement f= or the designs. sirjofri