From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <9front-bounces@9front.inri.net> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from 9front.inri.net (9front.inri.net [168.235.81.73]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F90240E3 for ; Wed, 8 May 2024 16:10:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gaff.inri.net ([168.235.71.243]) by 9front; Wed May 8 10:04:08 -0400 2024 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([168.235.81.125]) by gaff; Wed May 8 10:04:08 -0400 2024 Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 10:04:06 -0400 From: Stanley Lieber To: 9front@9front.org In-Reply-To: References: <102b2835-4207-4f8c-9f29-9da8b459dc2e@posixcafe.org> <5CF629DBC32C6D8D674AE2E07A2F8289@gaff.inri.net> Message-ID: <37F17A13-D66F-496A-A36B-177C0B7E8AEB@stanleylieber.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: generic abstract CSS-scale factory NoSQL database Subject: Re: [9front] Enabling a service Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk On May 8, 2024 3:22:25 AM EDT, hiro <23hiro@gmail=2Ecom> wrote: >> the laptop thing in particular is >> always funny to me, because in practice it's very similar to that old >> situation where bell labs people had slow connections to their terminal= s >> at home=2E it's too bad ancient terminals weren't battery powered, or >> maybe the plan 9 gods would have already put some thought into this=2E > >I believe this must have been a party trick mostly=2E They were likely >still required to show up in the office=2E > >The latency of these connections was very good, so that's how I >explain their lack of optimizations in rio for limiting the amount of >roundtrips=2E >Or they used an older version that didn't have the very slow rio yet=2E >And obviously mostly everything was text back then, so no need to fix >the roundtrip-bottleneck for high bitrate media like images=2E > >If they had our use-case, I don't know if they would have gone for the >kind of optimization that I have in mind, as this leads to diminishing >returns very fast=2E Fully meshed, non-centralized distributed systems >might be too juicy for them to ignore for solving this kind of >problem=2E > yeah, i was thinking of the blit vs the first eight unix guis, jim/sam, et= c=2E sl